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Old 16-03-2014, 13:07
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Hi fellow Modellers , you may have noticed that I had the hand of the lord strike me down whilst working on the refurbishment of HMS Manxman

Well the say into everyones life a little rain must fall :roll eyes:

On a brighter note ........and yes you got it first time .....this is where you come in .

Went down the lakeside today at the Cambridge Model Boat Club and there was a retiring modellers sale and look what I picked up at no cost to me at all ....

So heres the problem .......I know nothing about Tugs at all but this project was meant to be started so here I am

So far I have a box of bits that were collected over a few years by this dear soul and put in a box , with it was a nice beefy motor [ Electronize 545] a PVC Vac form Hull 27"x 9"x 8" and a Kortz Drive [ not sure if thats how you spell it ]

The final drive as you know is a combined drive / shrouded ...rudder so looks like my RC gear will be more than able to run this along with all the bits I tend to attract to a model and able to have more than enough hull area to put them in

Do you have any Photographs that I can use to look at the fittings that one would have on her decks please , or layout s so that I can make this beast .

Have no preconceived ideas yet ...but if nothing else comes along I would like to model her on the lines of the Tugs used down at Portsmouth old or new not bothered which .....like the ones that moved dear old Victorious around Eh

Will look around and find what scale she is nearest to before I start ...

Thanks for looking in
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Old 16-03-2014, 13:18
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That was a good start ....are well ...try these:-
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Are you sure it's a Tug?, difficult to tell from the photos, but it looks to me more like one of those fast inshore fishing boats. The'S' shaped deck line doesn't look very tug like.
I may be wrong. Try googling the Royal Navy Auxiliary Service, and RFA, for Tug pics
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Old 17-03-2014, 17:26
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Thanks Jim , I would have liked to build a Naval Tug but from what I have been able to see the hull length is not there ......but will have to ask sandy nicely if he can help me .
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Old 17-03-2014, 18:07
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Ivor, I think it is a hull by a company which specialises in Tug hulls [can't remember their name at the mo' ........... Help me Sandy]

Looking at the bits in the box a lot of them look like "Sirmar" fittings but the one thing that stands out is the Netherlands Flag ----- is this a clue methinks. ???

Whatever, it will be interested to see what you conjure up from this list of ingredients.

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Old 17-03-2014, 18:17
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Not sure Dave as the box was full of cast offs and left overs including a lot of brass fittings and brass scuttles what looks like a selection of brass fittings which could make up a winch , dozens of brass balustrades 3/2/1 holed , various steel rods , brass light fittings , assorted anchors , wire , life belts, towing posts , but a right collection and various scales .......certainly not a kit ....[ I wish ]

There was a scale steam tug complete but half built for a mere £350.00.....but out of my pocket
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Old 17-03-2014, 19:43
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Ivor, this old grey-funnel-liner stoker thingie person recognises your hull as a tug.

However (there's always a "however" with me), not the dockyard tug hulls as we knew them. This appears to be a more modern hull profile, especially where you have Kortz nozzle propulsion and steering included in the box o' bitz.

With your expertise, you may be able to fashion a "period" dockyard tug from the mould by trimming the deck line to suit eg; foredeck and hawse deck stepped down a chunk.

The stern or transom should be rounded properly (don't know if this is so from the photos) and provision should be made for the tow cable supports, winch etc.

Without wishing to blatantly advertise, Model Boat Mayhem has a huge Tug section (disproportionately large to my mind) which covers all sorts from early to modern. Perhaps you may get some ideas from that source.

I've tried to keep this post to words of one or two syllables in order not to confuss our Commune-icatorz, but my penchant for crossword puzzles keeps coming to the fore.

Dave my old mucker, d'you think I should get out more???

I hope this helps in some way mate and meantime I shall scour the net for clues.

Good luck m'dear.

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Old 17-03-2014, 20:57
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Sandy old son , Waterlooville is very close to Leydene and we know what was going on there in days gone by .......... lord forbid some of we Communicator essence rubbed off on an old Chief Poker ...... think of the dilemma .... a Klanky with knowledge of Communications

However, with Ivor's question ..... I think we are on the right trach ...... she is I think Rotterdam.
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SHG Models used to do a range of vac formed hulls and kits. Could this be one of theirs?
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Thanks Medway , have no plans / details or anything other than the hull sadly .



Sandy the route is fine by me but the stern is squared rather than rounded , but yes I have enough freeboard to step it down thanks .

I am only using the schottel as it was free [ £73.00 new from Cornwall models ]
and it saves me about £150.00 , had I had to stick in twin screws and rudders .
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Does this help Sandy ?
1/ hull looking from above
2/ hull looking from side
3/ hull from stern
4/ if no usable design found may do this as last resort but would prefer naval type

I drilled the hole in the bottom to get an idea how the schottel Drive would fit and to get an idea of how much I would need to elevate the internal base plate as if I just fit it straight in the pro would be about 3 1/2' below the hull bottom bit like an outboard motor with a long shaft length ...... so would need to put a packer in there to raise it up so that the bottom of the prop casing would be just a little below the keel line but still able to rotate ....unlike a fixed Kortz drive shroud
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Ivor, I don't know if this particular tug model would fit in chronologically with VICTORIOUS; MANXMAN or TROUBRIDGE. But I still reckon it's worth the effort of building it and painting it in RN dockyard livery.

The upper works are not too different to the most modern of dockyard tugs in the seventies or eighties and only the underwater propulsion gives it away as "modern".

So press ahead old son, waste not .....want not.

Herewith an image of what a period dockyard tug looks like, courtesy PMBDT website.

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Sandy old son , Waterlooville is very close to Leydene and we know what was going on there in days gone by .......... lord forbid some of we Communicator essence rubbed off on an old Chief Poker ...... think of the dilemma .... a Klanky with knowledge of Communications

However, with Ivor's question ..... I think we are on the right trach ...... she is I think Rotterdam.
Leydene. My last draft Dave, as Chief Fireman and NBCDI.

My son did part II training there with me and he was immediately shipped orf to South Atlantic, post training, aboard FEARLESS.

So I do believe that some of the Communicators etiquette rubbed off on me, but I still retain my oil coating. (I'll never drown).

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Ivor, I don't know if this particular tug model would fit in chronologically with VICTORIOUS; MANXMAN or TROUBRIDGE. But I still reckon it's worth the effort of building it and painting it in RN dockyard livery.

The upper works are not too different to the most modern of dockyard tugs in the seventies or eighties and only the underwater propulsion gives it away as "modern".

So press ahead old son, waste not .....want not.

Herewith an image of what a period dockyard tug looks like, courtesy PMBDT website.

Sandy.

That looks like exactly what I am after Sandy and yes could be forged as a Navy Tug .......

Will proceed on that basis ....thank you very much ....what type of scale are we on here mate 1/24..... 1/32 ish
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Leydene. My last draft Dave, as Chief Fireman and NBCDI.

My son did part II training there with me and he was immediately shipped orf to South Atlantic, post training, aboard FEARLESS.

So I do believe that some of the Communicators etiquette rubbed off on me, but I still retain my oil coating. (I'll never drown).

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Does this help Sandy ?
1/ hull looking from above
2/ hull looking from side
3/ hull from stern
4/ if no usable design found may do this as last resort but would prefer naval type

I drilled the hole in the bottom to get an idea how the schottel Drive would fit and to get an idea of how much I would need to elevate the internal base plate as if I just fit it straight in the pro would be about 3 1/2' below the hull bottom bit like an outboard motor with a long shaft length ...... so would need to put a packer in there to raise it up so that the bottom of the prop casing would be just a little below the keel line but still able to rotate ....unlike a fixed Kortz drive shroud
Ivor, with so many vessels leased to the MOD these days the tug in pic 4 would not look out of line in MOD Tug livery. Go for it ..... looking forward to the result.

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That looks like exactly what I am after Sandy and yes could be forged as a Navy Tug .......

Will proceed on that basis ....thank you very much ....what type of scale are we on here mate 1/24..... 1/32 ish
If I remember correctly Ivor, it is 1:24 scale.

A very good model, full of bells and whistles etc.

Seldom used on the water as the owner cannot lift it.!!

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Just read your posts lads and to Daves embarrassed ......to Sandys humbled


Don't want to make a big thing of it but in the last four years my life has changed from always feeling inferior to now realising that with the right situation and the right friends any mountain can be climbed .
This man is a happy contented man and has met his goals in life

Now to business ....1/24 you say ...thanks thats a starting point , and now I can research the items needed to be worthy of your trust ............I have it in my minds eye ......now to transfer it into reality ...thanks my friends ....watch this space .

Now all I need is shed loads of detail or pictures of this type so that I can implement it ......status now number three project and climbing
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Hi Sandy , been doing some research on components and found a few specialist suppliers [ never realised there were suppliers of the bits , and once you have decided what you are doing and where you are its quite a choice ......so getting quite inspired now

I always imagined Tugs as filthy squalled rust buckets , run by converted pirates .....so looking forward to pitching it some where in the middle , or were Navy tugs different , and kept as new by the RFA

Do you have any pictures of Tug deck layouts and fittings please .
At what point did they use Diesel , and where they oil fired prior to that or Turbine , or steam boilers oil fired ....must admit not knowing much about them
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Whilst going through some bits of reclaimed mouldings that Ron gave me when I was last up there a couple of years ago now , and found two sets of funnel vac formed sections ..... so glued those together in the hope that they may be useful later .
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I have sent off to Amazon for some pictures of tugs to help me as I haven't a clue what type of deck gear they had , [ don't worry they are all " used " ]

Still not quite sure about scale as the hull I have looks quite short [ 27...29 inches by ] so not sure wether to go for 1/24 or 1/32 ....although its not critical as it is not a replica I would like it to be as close as possible without spending shed loads of money on it
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Well that was swift , I received one of the books today on "British tugs" printed in 1957 priced 2/6

I was amazed to see that the Admiralty had placed orders for tugs built new in 1957 which were still propelled by Paddle wheels
These were Dexterous, Director, Faithful ,Favourite, Forceful ,Grinder , Griper.. and were diesel electric powered , and operated in Portsmouth and Chatham around 475 gross tons , 1,600,horse power ........you learn something new every day eh . I thought they went out years ago

At the time of print [ 1957] they were as follows :-
1/ Fleet Tugs
Funnel Grey or grey with black top
Hull ..Grey with black boot topping [ light grey for tropics]
2/ Dockyard Tugs
Funnel Yellow with black top and narrow blue band
Hull Black with blue line and red boot topping
3/ Armament Supply Tugs
Funnel yellow with black top and red band bordered by narrow white bands
Hull ..Black with red bands bordered by white lines and red boot topping
4/ Director of Victualling
Funnel Yellow with black top and narrow green band
Hull black
5/ Director of Stores Tugs
Funnel Yellow with black top and narrow black band
Hull black
6/ Civil Engineer-in-Chief
Funnel yellow with black top separated by narrow white over black bands
Hull black .

Not sure the system still exists but that was the state of play then , and at the time they had 100 tugs on the books ,4 in reserve , and some 6 on charter, and others based at:-

Gibralter , Malta , Trincomalee ,Singapore , Hong Kong, Kilindini, and Simonstown

Sadly they had no decent pictures of the deck layout or superstructure / colour detail all being very small black and white post war productions ....so the search goes on
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Ivor, Google 'Free Tug Plans', images, behold. More plans an you could 'shake a stick at'
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Thanks Jim , had a look at it but unable to get any prints off the website displayed ..........never mind nice of you to think of me .........like the Train site ...well done you .
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It was more to give you an idea of what is out there.
Have you ever thought of trying a non standard method of constructing hulls.
I used to get Model Boats Magazine every month. ( even while in the 'Mob', Greta used to send it ) Over the years there were some unusual ideas. One was a form of papier-mâché , I tried it , it was a trawler, Boston something or other. It was plank on frame construction, but the you only sort of used every other plank.
You then covered the hull in strips of news paper soaked in wallpaper paste using the double diagonal method. I think I did about 4 layers, the last one like hull plating, several coats of waterproof varnish inside and out.
Power was a 'Mighty Midget' and a bike lamp battery, steering by Devine providence!.
There were lots of ideas on hull construction, especially in the early part of the 20th centuary, if you dig around a bit.
By the way, that one survived several moves and skippers (sons and their mates). And for all I know is still in service somewhere.
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