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Old 06-05-2013, 10:06
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Ivor, the local know-it-alls come in several guises to our knowledge.

The worst of the worst are the ones who scrutinise and then pronounce their findings loudly, in order that the watching public then regard you, as the builder, as a cretin. I find the best way to deal with these people is to immediately demean them in the same manner. "Thank you for your observations Sir, I notice that you are alone today". When they answer in the affirmative I then reply "Why doesn't that surprise me then?" That worked well in Weymouth one year.

Others try to be helpful and discreet, but insist on making their point loudly. We tend to tolerate them, as we do dung beetles.

Finally, at the other end of the scale, are the goodly souls who will engage in pertinent conversation and consequently learn about the subject in question before ASKING if the model builder had considered their opinion.

We have a lot of time for the latter group, we can learn from them.

So it all seems to boil down to the way in which these people express themselves, and there is never room for "bull in a china shop" attitude in model boating.

Outstanding afternoon at Canoe Lake yesterday, weather was perfect.

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Old 06-05-2013, 14:09
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Default Re: HMS Ocean (1944-62) Winter Refit - by Bodgitt and Bodgitt.

Thanks Sandy ...would have loved to have been with you believe me , if only just smacking the know all in the mouth , but not yet .

Keep fondling Victorious and bemoaning my current state but" slowly slowly stroke the monkey" I believe is the term......still don't know what it meant ...but got a pretty good idea

Will try..... and make an effort to line the hull openings soon and get back into it
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Old 07-05-2013, 14:14
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Lots to do Ivor........lots to do. But wait until you are well enough and really desperate to get back into it.

My interpretation of the old maxim; "Softlee softlee catchee monkey". I think it just conveys the message to consider all options before making one's move. At least I think that is the way it goes. Others, no doubt will put me right.

So onwards and upwards OCEAN goes, once more into the breech and all that mullarky.

Will keep you informed.

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Old 16-05-2013, 19:37
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After an inexcusably long period without updates, here goes:

Today, for the first time this year, HMS OCEAN's forward section basked outside of the workshop in sunlight. After this short curtain call, the forward section will be transferred to the Southsea 'yard, and the aft section transferred to the Waterlooville 'yard. Most of the work on the forward section hull proper has been carried out by us both (as has work on the aft section at the Southsea 'yard, courtesy of Robbie's sterling efforts).

All catwalks are in place, as are the AA gun directors X2, all AA guns and mounts. The vessels of the boat decks are in situ, apart from the starboard seaboat, which will be "slung outboard" when it all nears completion. (Did I say July?????). All carley floats (very distinctive feature on Colossus Class) have been fitted (screwed and glued for safety).

It is noticeable that the boot topping has not yet been applied to the forward section, this is because we need to marry-up both sections on a flat bench and draw the boot topping top and bottom lines in one hit. That hopefully makes for continuity.

The island will remain here for completion as time permits whilst we feverishly progress the aft end boat and weather deck rolled edging.

Spotlight of all the attached images is the Westland Dragonfly (rare as rocking horse dung) and so kindly donated to us by richard27models, a member of this site. He has also built a 1:72 scale model of HMS OCEAN in memory of his father who was embarked with 42 RM Commando during the Suez crisis.

Enjoy the images and the apparent sunshine!

Sandy and Robbie.
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:42
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After an inexcusably long period without updates, here goes:
Sandy and Robbie.
Well worth the wait gents ... she is looking beautiful!
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Old 17-05-2013, 07:53
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Well done Sandy .....not to far to go now mate by the way .....the local B un Q have an offer on for fence paint if your interested
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Old 17-05-2013, 08:11
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Looking good Sandy, every thing looks so crisp and clear, thanks to you both for sharing
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Old 17-05-2013, 09:24
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Great work boys. Have a tea break because you both deserve it now

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Old 18-05-2013, 05:56
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Default Re: HMS Ocean (1944-62) Winter Refit - by Bodgitt and Bodgitt.

I've been remiss in chiming in with the well-deserved BZs for this project. Sterling work and a beautiful ship. I'm afraid I can't be a know-it-all kibitzer over there, so a hearty thanks for the photos and progress reviews from over here. This is always a most enjoyable thread!

Thanks, lads, time for a tot?
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Old 20-05-2013, 19:27
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Default Re: HMS Ocean (1944-62) Winter Refit - by Bodgitt and Bodgitt.

Thanks for the comments guys, they are really appreciated.

As planned, the aft section was transported to the 'Ville 'yard to be reacquainted after some months. Topically, this is to become a same-sex marriage.

Robbie has put in a lot of work on the aft section at the S'sea 'yard, and the sum of his efforts is visible in the attached images.

So now our efforts will be concentrated on what remains to be done on the aft section. Main time-consuming task will be the rolled edging on all of the weather and boat decks. Considerably more than the forward section.

However, "Jumbo" has been scratchbuilt; various flight deck tractors are ready; the main "fixed" crane has been scratchbuilt and a few other prominent features of "life in the most dangerous place in the world".

Enjoy the images and do feel free to comment.

Sandy and Robbie.
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Old 20-05-2013, 23:55
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Default Re: HMS Ocean (1944-62) Winter Refit - by Bodgitt and Bodgitt.

Gentlemen: You have done a huge amount of work in this refit. One can see a bright day coming soon when she commissions.

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Old 21-05-2013, 06:43
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Glad to see the aft section has returned for completion. For awhile there, I thought the lads in the yard would be in for a "stern" talking-to about schedules, priorities, expected contract dates, all that.....
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Old 22-05-2013, 15:46
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Glad to see the aft section has returned for completion. For awhile there, I thought the lads in the yard would be in for a "stern" talking-to about schedules, priorities, expected contract dates, all that.....
It's the recession over here Don, difficult to get men, materials and rum.

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Old 22-05-2013, 15:51
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Tesco are doing a discounted Rum Sandy .

On my third bottle of samples .......dont pay to be to rash
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Old 27-05-2013, 14:58
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A little more progress today (Bank Holiday Monday) on the aft end of OCEAN.

The quarterdeck weather deck rolled edging has been fitted each side. The method of making the rolled edging differs slightly to what worked on the forward section. Instead of using pre-curved plastic sprue, we tried straight half-round plastic extrusion. This meant that a nice rounded corner effect was more difficult to achieve, but this could be remedied later by rounding off the outer corner edges. The main reason for this change to procedure was economy.

Our preferred method was to purchase cheapish plastic model kits which had components within curved sprues. We used the corner pieces and chucked the components. (Not usually the way kit modelling works but being Bodgitt and Bodgitt we work back to front). So, if we work out the equation:
Model kit = 10 including average of five sprues; Apertures requiring rolled edging = 40; resulting in the purchase of eight models @ 10 each.

Pretty expensive for rolled edging alone. What we have achieved so far is the purchase of two model tanks at 9 each which gives us enough rolled edging to complete the build, using several short cuts along the way.

As can be seen from the images, we have worked our way round to the stern weather deck openings and have affixed the starboard of the larger openings, leaving room for the stern catwalk to rest over the top rolled edging, thereby saving two corners each time. (Canny Scotsman at work).

The last of the images shows the inner mechanics of the beast. These have been in situ for 20 years plus, and the speed controllers were hand made to fit in Portsmouth Naval Dockyard.

We're so happy to post images with sunshine in them.

Thanks for your considerate comments and do keep them coming please.

Kind regards,

Bodgitt and Bodgitt.
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Old 28-05-2013, 01:19
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Default Re: HMS Ocean (1944-62) Winter Refit - by Bodgitt and Bodgitt.

Lads: It is good to see the Royal Tank Corps and the Royal Logistics Regiment providing crucial parts for the refit. You might want to use the machine guns from the tanks secondary armament to augment the 40 mm Bofors. The MG's are much better for deterring pirates and other morons who might to board you!

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:16
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Brian, in our retirement years all three Services tend to work together.

We've since sourced a supply of sprue "outers" with curved corners ........ from a good friend and colleague whom we meet twice weekly. All we had to do was to mention the dichotomy to him. (Fittingly, he served in the Army).

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:31
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The waterline ................

Having consulted all possible manuals and books of reference on how to establish the ship's waterline, we resorted to Robbies method. He learned this method whilst trials crew on board MARY ROSE and it seems to work.

All that is needed is a sturdy flat table, an object of suitable height and a sharpened (left handed) pencil.

Oh ...... and the knowledge that the rudder base is in line with the level of the keel.

Simples.

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:50
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Default Re: HMS Ocean (1944-62) Winter Refit - by Bodgitt and Bodgitt.

As the weather is forecast fine, warm and with only light breezes on Monday, we hope to spray the hull with its anti-fouling coat.

After that, its down to the Southsea 'yard to marry-up both ends and apply the boot topping lines.

Robbie has a large flat surface in his shed which is ideal for the purpose, being able to accept a ten foot long model.

He also has a kettle and the means to make coffee. Suits me.

Meantime we're off to Alfold for a model boat show tomorrow.

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Old 01-06-2013, 12:08
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By the way, there is a danger when refitting a model in relying on old markings.

It can be seen in the attached image that the boot topping on the transverse bulkhead of the aft section runs noticeably down to starboard, probably by half an inch.

It is for this reason that a spirit level is used when marking waterlines etc., otherwise, for the model to look right on the water by virtue of the boot topping, she will actually be listing to starboard.

It's the age old adage when constructing anything, check measurements and dimensions carefully, then check them again.

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Looking very smart Robbie and Sandy, awaiting eventual launch on Canoe Lake and the video/photo's that will be issued.

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Having consulted all possible manuals and books of reference on how to establish the ship's waterline, we resorted to Robbies method. He learned this method whilst trials crew on board MARY ROSE and it seems to work.

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Robbie was trials crew in Mary Rose????

I know that some of us are getting a little long in the proverbial tooth, but this takes the cake ... Mary Rose did her sea trials in 1511!

Sorry - couldn't resist it guys ... by the way, you really seem to be making progress and she looks great.
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Old 02-06-2013, 20:17
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Robbie was trials crew in Mary Rose????

I know that some of us are getting a little long in the proverbial tooth, but this takes the cake ... Mary Rose did her sea trials in 1511!

Sorry - couldn't resist it guys ... by the way, you really seem to be making progress and she looks great.
Quite true Tim, we had thought he was trials crew aboard HMS VICTORY prior to Trafalgar, but we got hold of his Service Certificates and MARY ROSE (note, no "HMS") screamed out from the papyrus manuscript.

Also contained in his Service Certificate records is a mention of MARY ROSE; a french letter and what appears now to be a timeline of 15:11 of the afternoon watch.

Perhaps we misconstrued the content of the report, but what is certain, there were some funny goings-on around that time in Portsmouth.

But he really is wearing well for his age.

(Tomorrow in the workshop I fear I shall have an accident .. a retaliatory one methinks).

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Looking good, altho first time I've seen one carrier going two directions at once!!!

Hhmmm, perhaps some IJN carrier managed that? DFO
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Looking good, altho first time I've seen one carrier going two directions at once!!!

Hhmmm, perhaps some IJN carrier managed that? DFO
Probably it's because we had both ends in differing locationsfor some months John.

Once we had both together we were so overawed we didn't remember which ends married which. (Much the same as marriage nowadays in this fair land)

As you are no doubt aware by now, we're not the sharpest tools in the box.

However, as promised and planned, we got the antifouling applied to the stern section on Monday.

I had the report ready early evening, but our cable TV and broadband crashed for 24 hours. Whole Portsmouth area!! A contractor drilled a hole in a bridge somewhere local and took the lot out.

Anyway, it's all up and running now, 48 hours earlier than the forecasted repair.

The application of the antifouling paint makes the hull look more proportionate in length. The demarcation line does not need to be razor sharp as the boot topping will then be applied over both grey and red paint effects.

Once the boot topping is applied we anticipate that the speed of the refit will increase and we'll meet our July dateline.

Kind regards,

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