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Old 02-01-2011, 23:27
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Hi All, does anyone have any more information on either of these two Anti Aircraft ships

apart from this website

http://www.red-rooster.co.uk/ships/pozarica.htm

there appears to be suprisingly little on the pair online
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Old 03-01-2011, 16:28
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There's tons of first hand information and pictures on Pozarica and her ship's company in PQ17 by Godfrey Winn - Winn was embarked in her throughout that convoy. A book I wish I still had. Steve
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Old 03-01-2011, 19:53
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Tigercat, this is all I can find out about these two ships. It is mainly about their Mediterranean operations:

Palomares

1942, November
Took part in the Torch landings in Algiers acting as an Anti Aircraft ship. Leaving Gibraltar on the 3rd and arriving at 'B' beachhead on the 8th. The next day she was attacked and struck by a bomb on the after gun deck causing heavy casualties. She was engulfed in flames abaft the mainmast, and the steering gear put out of action. The dead were transferred to the corvette Samphire for burial at sea. The steering gear was repaired on the 10th.

1943, September
At the Salerno landing she served as a Fighter Direction ship. She left Algiers in convoy NSF1 and arrived at Salerno on the 9th.

1944, January
Served as a Fighter Direction ship during the Anzio landings, leaving Naples on the 21st and arriving at Anzio 'P' beachhead on the 22nd. The same day she struck a mine and had to be towed back to Naples by the tugs Edenshaw and Evea.

1945, September
She was to have played a part in the landings in Malay on the 12th but was withdrawn due to engine room fire damage.

Pozarica

1942, November
Served as an Anti Aircraft ship at the Torch landings in Algiers. She left Gibraltar on the 3rd with Assault Convoy KMF1, arriving at 'A' beachhead on the 8th. On the 15th she rescued survivors from the minesweeper Algerine, which had been torpedoed by the Italian submarine Ascianghi, and took them to Bougie the same day.
 
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Old 03-01-2011, 23:46
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Thank you both

What suprised me was how small they actually were. My mental impression was that they were much larger but they appear to be about destroyer size.

I imagine that the Admirality selected smaller ships for auxilaries as less potential cargo space would be lost.

I rememember reading that the rescue ships were generally smaller as it made it easier for seamen to scramble aboard.
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Old 04-01-2011, 05:56
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Dear Steve, PQ17 is still readily available secondhand on the net, i recommended it to another forum member a couple of months ago and he got one very quickly.
Good luck
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:44
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Thank you both

What suprised me was how small they actually were. My mental impression was that they were much larger but they appear to be about destroyer size.

I imagine that the Admirality selected smaller ships for auxilaries as less potential cargo space would be lost.

I rememember reading that the rescue ships were generally smaller as it made it easier for seamen to scramble aboard.

as fruit ships they were faster than 'ordinary' ships same with some of the packet steamers that were given the role.
Also fruit was a lower priority.
They were ocean going ships with plenty of scope for modification.
That's just my take on them anyway.
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Old 04-01-2011, 16:07
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one less copy is out there as I have invested in one myself
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Old 04-01-2011, 18:57
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one less copy is out there as I have invested in one myself
Together you have inspired me to get hold of one and read it again - many thanks. Steve
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Not the best quality picture in the world but then again worthwhile pictures of these two ships are not easy to come by.

Palomares.
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Old 04-01-2011, 23:51
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Thanks for the photo.

From this angle although the camouflage makes it difficult to be sure the structure where B turret is mounted appears to be the same width as the bridge with the one where A turret appears to be wider .

Their armament at least where it comes to anti surface and anti aircraft appears similar to an original Black Swan
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Old 08-11-2014, 17:28
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My Father Edwin Harris served on the Pozarica as an AA Gunner throughout PQ17 picking up his first MID. He was never very happy about how the convoy was viewed and the fact that those RN ships who continued were never given the dues they deserved. He was blown off the ship when she was sunk off North Africa and spent his survivors leave attached to a Guards Regiment, an experience he never forgot or wished repeated. I have a copy of the book by Godfrey Winn in which he appears in one of the photos.
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Old 01-11-2017, 18:53
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Hi

My Grandfather William (Bill) Cooper served on HMS Palomares
from June 1941 to oct 1942.
I have been researching his WW2 career and amongst others he also served on the HMS Ulster Queen.
I noticed that on the Imperial War Museum web site regarding the Palomares there was film shot on board by another member of the crew.
Think it includes some footage during Convoy PQ17 and when the ship hit a mine.
I contacted the Museum and they invited me for a private viewing of the 16mm footage this Friday.
if i want a copy i must pay to have it converted to digital.
if this happens i will ask the museum if i can post on this site.

Fingers crossed i spot my grandad.

watch this space...........
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Old 14-11-2017, 19:46
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Hi,let us know how you get on.my grandfather, Charles hulse, served on hms palomares during the war.
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