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Old 06-02-2017, 14:25
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The Queens sapphire jubilee brings to mind when we heard the King had died. I was in Sluys , anchored off St. Raphael , Cote d'azure, France. I was in the Stokers bathroom ,the SRE cabinet was just outside. What happened to those 75 years?
Can't count now, it was 65 years ago, so maybe I'm not as old as I think!
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Old 06-02-2017, 18:51
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Can't count now, it was 65 years ago, so maybe I'm not as old as I think!
It comes to us all, I have corrected your original post

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Old 11-02-2017, 13:02
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Oats, I found a reference to oats being used to combat scurvy. The supply Officer in Tyne must have been using a very old victualing book.
It may be worth checking on the term "Burgoo", which was an old Naval expression for an oat breakfast porridge, often used by my grandfather, Cdr L.E Pearson and used in our family as the term of flapjack.
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Old 11-02-2017, 13:42
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It may be worth checking on the term "Burgoo", which was an old Naval expression for an oat breakfast porridge, often used by my grandfather, Cdr L.E Pearson and used in our family as the term of flapjack.
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Burgoo (Oatmeal)

½ pt. Steel-cut Oats

2 cups Water

1-½ to 2 tbs. Butter

2 tsp. Sugar

Gradually add the water to the oats. Bring to a boil over medium heat, then reduce heat and simmer until oats are tender. Remove oats into bowls and add butter, sugar, and salt to taste, stirring until dissolved.


The excerpt above taken from page titled
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The official diet of the Royal Navy consisted of the following
: ........

as carried in the hmsrichmond.org website (pages relating to diet).


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Old 11-02-2017, 16:27
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Never had Burgoo but in Triumph's machinery spaces there was a fanny of water up by the throttles which had a handful of oats in it to combat dehydration. We were also issued with the dreaded chocolate salt tablets that looked like M & M's. Blooming 'orrible.

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Old 11-02-2017, 19:26
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Yes I remember those Ken, the ones we were issued with were like smarties with an outer shell that didn't melt. The stokers of course would suck the chocolate off and spit them out. I thought the best ones were the ones that were heavily flavoured with lemon, they were just about bareable.
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Old 13-02-2017, 14:43
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Salt tablets!!!!! In the Gulf 1949/51 Salt` tablets were just that...Round flat pills of salt.No chocolate on them..Later on in `51 we did obtain a few Choccy covered ones.they were much easier to slip down...But failure to take salt tablets and then maybe passing out with heat exhaustion, you were on a charge...
My family today think I am daft to put salt on my meals, but I like it.That what comes of being an old Git...I don`t think it has done me any harm..Still getting out and about at 86.Enjoying a pint or two...or more!! So there!!
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Salt tablets!!!!! In the Gulf 1949/51 Salt` tablets were just that...Round flat pills of salt.No chocolate on them..Later on in `51 we did obtain a few Choccy covered ones.they were much easier to slip down...But failure to take salt tablets and then maybe passing out with heat exhaustion, you were on a charge...
My family today think I am daft to put salt on my meals, but I like it.That what comes of being an old Git...I don`t think it has done me any harm..Still getting out and about at 86.Enjoying a pint or two...or more!! So there!!
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Thank goodness there is someone out there older than me (84) I agree the salt tablets I remember were naked, no chocolate.
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Old 14-02-2017, 14:42
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Maybe 'cos I am "skin" and "only 75 in age.........or maybe 'cos I was a "Upper Deck Technician, Cable & Wire Manipulator" (aka Able Seaman),and not a Stoker, but I don't recall having salt tablets during either of my two FES commissions (1958-60 and 1965-66).
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Old 14-02-2017, 16:37
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I thought Aged Matelots was the best place for this.
As the old man used to say, "When men were men, and women were proud of it"
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Old 14-02-2017, 17:18
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Maybe 'cos I am "skin" and "only 75 in age.........or maybe 'cos I was a "Upper Deck Technician, Cable & Wire Manipulator" (aka Able Seaman),and not a Stoker, but I don't recall having salt tablets during either of my two FES commissions (1958-60 and 1965-66).
Maybe you "Upper Deck Technicians" didn't work hard enough to raise a sweat.
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Old 14-02-2017, 17:52
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Maybe you "Upper Deck Technicians" didn't work hard enough to raise a sweat.

I'll have you know I worked hard..........let's see..........as a Jnr.Sea/Ord 56-60..........Side Boy/Bosuns Mate, so down LSP at sea and lounging around gangway in harbour, and Captain's Office runner.
As AB in 1965/66.........Routine Office Writer (aka Gunnery Office Writer) for first half, then WE Office Writer for rest of commission.
All Blue Card jobs...............you may well be right Keith!
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Old 14-02-2017, 18:01
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The only time a dabtoe would sweat is playing tombola.
ERAs didn't sweat. They perspired.
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Old 14-02-2017, 18:14
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Well it,s happened , years after I had left ...Royal Navy running short of every thing ....

It looks like a return visit to phoenix to do our "Damage Control " again............ retired sailors to plug a gaping [recruitment] hole for Britain's new super carriers. ...

This poster has been doing the rounds ...
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Old 14-02-2017, 18:19
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If this chap want's to re join he will have to get a pair of Pussers shoes.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/766...lea-ex-sailors

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Royal Navy tries to plug its staff sinkhole with urgent plea to retired and ageing sailors
NAVY CHIEFS are being forced to appeal to hundreds of ageing and retired sailors to plug a gaping recruitment hole for Britain’s new super carriers.
By Marco Giannangeli, EXCLUSIVE
PUBLISHED: 08:01, Mon, Feb 13, 2017 | UPDATED: 08:29, Mon, Feb 13, 2017

A new campaign will see former sailors as old as 60 asked to consider rejoining the Senior Service on a “bespoke five-year contract”.

Retired sailors up to the age of 55 will be allowed to apply to fill a vast array of positions on HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, though the Sunday Express can reveal that a 58-year-old has been asked to extend his service by five years.

It comes just weeks after defence secretary Sir Michael Fallon proclaimed 2017 as “the year of the Navy” and follows difficulties in recruiting Naval reservists for year-long postings.

Pinch points include chefs, medics, clerks communications and, particularly, engineers, though some “Home” vacancies would be open to 60-year-olds.

The Royal Navy has suffered a manning crisis since Government cutbacks in 2010 and, despite high-profile television adverts, faces a shortfall of 2,000 sailors across the fleet.

Now the First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir Philip Jones, has personally approved a project, codenamed “from Street to Fleet”, which it is hoped will attract more than 1,000 former naval personnel back into uniform.

The aim is to offer ‘bespoke commitments’ of up to five years pending on age also and skills, with the priority being to recruit personnel to sustain manning on the new carriers.

In a legal loophole which allows the MoD to avoid full liability, those who sign up to dust off their uniforms will enlist as Full Time Reservists, given contracts and terms of service for just five years before they are back in civilian life.

Full-page adverts will run in the fleet’s own newspaper, Navy News, offering a "return to the Naval Service through bespoke commitment levels for a period of up to five years, for trained ex-Regular RN personnel, across all ranks and specialization, serving onboard the Queen Elizabeth Class carriers and across the Fleet.”

While the Royal Navy says it is recruiting sufficient numbers, the issue is that many choose not to extend original short-term contracts.

So desperate is the situation that Navy brass even attempted to entice serving members of the US coastguard to jump ship and salute the ensign aboard Type 22 frigates.

Last year the Sunday Express revealed how concerned commanders were targeting specialist engineers with “golden hellos’ and the promises of an instant commission in a bid to lure them from lucrative civilian jobs.

Under Project Faraday, engineers in nuclear submarines were offered £50,000 bonuses if they agreed to stay on an extra five years.

Punitive cuts in 2010 saw 12 vessels axed from the fleet and 5,000 jobs lost, with plans to increase this by a further 1,000 by 2020.

These included Britain’s only aircraft carrier. HMS Ark Royal, which had been refitted in 2009 and could have continued to served for a further five years and Type 22 frigates such as HMS Campbeltown, which was refitted as recently as Jan 2010 and HMS Walne, both of which could have served for another ten years.

Entire crews of HMS Cumberland and HMS Cornwall were made redundant when they returned from operations off Libya in 2011.

Last night former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West said: “We are paying the price for ill-judged cuts to the Royal Navy announced by the Coalition Government in 2010.

“Last year’s defence review tried to make up for this by allowing 400 more sailors. It should have been 4,000.

“I’m 68. If I were just a bit younger I may well apply myself for a chance to get back to sea.”

An MoD spokesman confirmed that upper age for service is normally 60, but exceptions may be made, adding; “The advertisement is being issued to gauge interest in Reserve service across the Fleet. Specific requirements have yet to be determined, but all are welcome to apply.”
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Oh well...............we've had "Dad's Army", why not a "Dad's Navy"

Let's face it though, most of us, who last served 1970's, would be pretty useless crewing a modern ship............always presuming HM Government leaves the navy with any "modern ships" in the first place.

There are, in our midst, on this site alone, people who would be perfectly "at home" if BELFAST or CAVALIER be re-activated. Then there is BRISTOL for those of younger ilk. I suspect a few ancients could be found to crew WARRIOR or even VICTORY!
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Johnny07, They may not be Pussers shoes, but at least they are clean and polished, have laces and tied. More than I can say for a lot of the Engineering Branch!! I must say I do enjoy your input, Thanks.
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After reading Blackbats last post ..


{Entire crews of HMS Cumberland and HMS Cornwall were made redundant when they returned from operations off Libya in 2011.}

Theo it might seem a small number , considering the size of the Royal Navy .... you can not acquire all that experience at the stroke of a pen ,to walk back on board after 5 years .... so much has changed ....
From the day I joined my first ship to leaving my last [ 10 years].. the whole ball game was completely different , even thoe they used the same rules ....advancement was going leaps and bounds in technology on ships....
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Old 15-02-2017, 15:36
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I think a good idea would be to get back the Press Gangs.I am sure a few ne`er do wells would enjoy a year or two in the Andrew?? In fact we might get a few from the City Banks...Give them a chance really working hard...
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That's right Jim and it makes you wonder what decade in history did the navy make it's greatest technological leap forward but I suppose there are a few.
Wood to iron, sail to steam, muzzle to breech loading, boilers to gas turbines
signal lights to radio. It hasn't all been forward leaps though has it?
Allowing women to serve on ships was the biggest leap backwards of all.
I'm not surprised that the people on the Cornwall were made redundant but I suppose we shouldn't tar them all with the same brush.
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What branch, what would be our rating for the 50's Stokers, Stoker Mechanics. What branch badge would we wear?
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That do for a badge?
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