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Old 12-10-2012, 11:27
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What is a collateral descendant ?
Nothing to do with security for a loan.

A collateral descendant would be someone descended from a member of the Byng family other than Admiral John Byng. e.g. a descendant of his brother.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:33
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Hello Seagull:

If you have not done so already, you must read Tunstall's book and Admiral Richmond's edition of the "Papers relating to the Loss of Minorca in 1756", prepared for the Navy Records Society.
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Hello P

Yes I've read much of these books - not every word though. The book that tells the whole story best is in my opinion Pope's "At Twelve Mr Byng was Shot" Pope sets the stage well and gives Admiral Byng's position very clearly. The very recent family deaths (his mother's and two brothers' and his greatest love, Mrs Hicks) and the fact that he was not well and had to conduct his own case - the reader is left to realize what a very brave man John Byng was. (Byng never complained). Dudley Pope never spells this out - but leaves these fact to the imagination of the readers. Not only does Pope tell the whole story well, he is the only writer so far who treats the story as a rounded human drama. The rest seem to labour on facts and figures and regurgitate each others' work. This is academia: quoting from other works to earn browny points. Was not Pope the first to do original family research on the topic - and who has bothered to do this recently? The most recent book, Chris Ware's 'Admiral Byng' has not probed any new slant and it is missing up-to-date information which would be of interest to readers in the 21 century. His book is therefore an 'arm-chair' effort. No 'field-work' as anthropologists (military men and women?) like to call it. Imagine fighting a war in an arm-chair - and not going out and doing battle! That is what I felt when reading Ware's book..
Baugh's new book: 'The Global Seven Years' War' - gives Pope due praise - but not enough - because it is fashionable to slam Pope - he has to be careful to please the zeitgeist. However Baugh quotes Pope's a lot (and so did Ware) and therefore puts those naval historians in their place: those who give Pope 1/10. Makes me see Red.
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Old 20-10-2012, 07:33
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My opinion of Pope's non-fiction is that his books contain too much Pope and not enough history.

Tunstall consulted with members of the Byng family but his book is a more detached than Pope's and Tunstall is more knowledgeable about the period (and about the sailing navy).

I am not clear on what you mean by "up-to-date information which would be of interest to readers in the 21 century".

I have Baugh's book on the shelf but have yet to read it.
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Old 21-10-2012, 11:07
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Hello P
Thanks for your reply. I am replying to check to see if this reply shows up on the 'New Posts' or not. When this thread does show up on 'New Posts' it reaches new viewers. Any one out there interested in the topic of Admiral Byng in general or in particular?
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Old 06-03-2013, 16:43
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Major General Mike Scott's book, 'SCAPEGOATS' was launched successfully yesterday. Published by Elliott & Thompson. A good article on Admiral John Byng, a view of history from an author with vast military experience, excellent to have a new slant on the subject: Congratulations

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/c...cle3703385.ece

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14th March,

All Saints' Church Southill, Bedfordshire, England
11.30 short service,
Noon the bells ring for Admiral John Byng:

Meet in only village pub afterwards.

Anyone interested?
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Where is Heracles who started this thread? Any one of his mates know?
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Old 22-03-2013, 16:52
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Yes, where is Heracles?
Maybe we should start a thread 'WHERE IS HERACLES' ?
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Greetings

When last I posted on this thread - the hits numbered in the 6,000 or 7,000 range. It is now 16,000 +. There is obvious interest.

14th March is the annual memorial in Southill, Bedfordshire.
All who are interested in the history of Admiral Byng are invited:
Memorial at 11.30am, Tenor Bell Tolls noon, followed by Discussion and Drinks.

Is there anyone interest in the subject of seeking exoneration for Admiral John Byng?

If so, please would a moderator start a thread entitled:
Admiral John Byng(1704 - 1757) Deserves Exoneration.

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Old 01-03-2015, 16:54
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Best keep everything regarding Admiral John Byng on this thread, otherwise a duplication of information will ensue. I can change the thread title if needed.

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Old 01-03-2015, 23:18
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May we begin with the following:

In 2006, WWI Soldiers were pardoned. In 2013, Alan Turing was exonerated. Admiral John Byng has a longer standing cause. His descendants and supporters continue to seek exoneration. Support is needed for the next petition. Who will give it?
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Old 19-02-2016, 17:53
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Some interesting links:

https://www.facebook.com/Admiral-Byn...83701/?fref=ts


https://twitter.com/byngcampaign

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Old 08-03-2016, 22:30
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SATURDAY 7.30pm 12th March 2016. Old Royal Naval College CHAPEL: A concert in honour of Admiral John Byng: 'The Musket Ball'.

Bar in Undercroft open 6.30pm until 10pm for ticket holders.

https://www.ornc.org/Pages/Events/?g...FYdAGwodMg4I_A
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Old 21-04-2016, 12:06
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The NELSON SOCIETY reports on the THE MUSKET BALL:

See http://nelson-society.com/the-musket...pel-greenwich/

Voltaire has kept the story of Admiral John Byng alive: in his best selling book 'CANDIDE'. If you have not read it - best to read the original version to understand humanity !

See also https://twitter.com/byngcampaign
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Old 31-08-2016, 15:25
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260th Anniversary of death of Admiral John Byng falls next year, 2017. The tenor bell will toll at noon, 14th March 2017. A Commemoration Service is being arranged in his honour - as was the case in 2007, the 250th Anniverary of the death.
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A SLICE OF 'ERRANT TRUTH':

Why so hard to tell the truth?

The public are duped. Jasper Copping was informed that an exoneration was being sought not a 'pardon'. Did the editor change the wording? Why does the media (in particular) and the public (in general) repeat that Byng descendants seek a 'pardon'. Once the word 'pardon' is heard, the usual reaction is: " If Byng deserves one, what about Anne Boleyn, and what about x, and what about y and z....?"

Admiral Byng is a unique case in that he was in the past and is to this day continually maligned - and his descendants feel the insults. Are there those who still feel strongly the fate which befell Anne Boleyn? This otherwise excellent article, holds misinformation to the public:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/1...ly-arrive.html

This is not the case. No apology has been asked for. Only that the truth be understood and passed on. How to "[ ....] unlock the wonders of words and the power of communication [.....]". (see Pg 11 of the book, 'Charles Dickens' by His Honour Derwin Hope. Published 2014 ISBN 978-0-9575220-0-8).

Seeking an official exoneration [not pardon] may go some way to help those who refuse to see - or unable to see - why they want or need to malign an innocent man.

For those who have not seen this excellent article:

https://joehistorian.wordpress.com/2...itish-culture/

Among other bodies responsible for misleading the public, Greenwich Foundation has been responsible for inaccurate information on a plaque in the Discovery Centre where thousands of visitors visit daily. Those who read the information, take away a slice of 'errant truth'. Is this right?

The power of communication: how to get across a true and accurate story that has gained so much falsehood?
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Can a moderator retrieve a post lost when my time lapsed before posting?:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...streply&t=3655

If not, for information re the Commemoration Service for 260th Anniversary of death of Admiral John Byng, please see:

https://twitter.com/byngcampaign
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At the Commemortion sevice on 14th March 2017, HH Derwin Hope gave the Eulogy. "Justice demands that our Sovereign rectifies the legacy that is properly due to Admiral John Byng, and a fitting memorial granted to him [an exoneration] for his courage and service to a Country that he loved."

See (an unedited) record of the 260th anniversary of the death of Admiral Byng: The full Eulogy is worth listening to - as well as the Rt Revd Richard Atkinson, Bishop of Bedfordshire's sermon, a Naval Officer's poem, the High Sherrif's praise, a tree planted by Viscount Torrington in Admiral Byng's honour, the significance of the muffled bells and more . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QwN...ature=youtu.be

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Since the refurbishment of The Queen's House in Greenwich, visitors are now not fed diatribe regarding Admiral John Byng. Ten years of effort, ABC [Admiral Byng Campaign] has paid off!

Admiral the Honourable John Byng's portrait (by Hudson) now hangs alongside other respected Admirals. He is not singled out as a "traitor" (See https://joehistorian.wordpress.com/2...itish-culture/) nor is Admiral Byng alluded to as a coward - as has been the norm for authorites wishing to make a dramatic point and repeat inaccuracies - over the past 260 years.

Congratulations to the curators. ABC grateful for small mercies. This is a start, a small step, toward campaigning for Admiral John Byng to receive a full exoneration.

See Twitter: @byngcampaign
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Admiral Byng Campaign‏ @byngcampaign

Regarding Admiral John Byng's treatment in 1756/7, Sir Winston Churchill wrote: "one of the MOST SCANDALOUS EVASIONS of RESPONSIBILITES that an ENGLISH GOVERNMENT has EVER PERPETRATED". His stirring oratory would have helped Byng's exoneration. @ChurchillCentre : add this quote?

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HH Derwent Hope wrote 14th March 2016: [Admiral John Byng’s] case remains probably the worst case of uncorrected miscarriage of justice that this country has ever seen in the whole of its entire history.”
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"The Dignified Tribute
Enacted with Pride
The Ghosts of the Past
Hand in Hand
.............Side by Side."

11 11 2017
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Quotes:

HH DERWENT HOPE wrote 14th March 2016:
"[Admiral John Byng’s] case remains probably THE WORST CASE OF UNCORRECTED MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE that THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN IN THE WHOLE OF ITS ENTIRE HISTORY.”

Sir Winston Churchill wrote regarding Admiral John Byng's treatment in 1756/7: "ONE OF THE MOST SCANDALOUS EVASIONS OF RESPONSIBILITES THAT AN ENGLISH GOVERNMENT HAS EVER PERPETRATED".

ABC [Admiral Byng Campaign] continues to seek exoneration in 2018.
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For those of you who asked, and for others who may have wondered, here is the reference regarding Winston Churchill's record of his sentiment about the treatment of Admiral Byng:

‘THE HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE’ by Winston S Churchill.
Vols I – IV. Published 1957.

Vol III, Book 8, Chapter 11, Page 114.
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