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Old 25-02-2011, 09:10
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Question Re: The Brave Fallen Of Bellewaarde 16th June 1915

Thank you Martin, for your valuable input.My problem, apart from being a poor scribe; is the missing gaps in what will be "The Life and Death of my Grandfather".He was killed whilst taking and holding a village in France and
his body was never found-there are no testimonies from survivors, other than HOW he died.So the Grande Finale is almost a complete mystery-just how much can I fudge; and if I fudge- I know it is fiction!??

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Old 25-02-2011, 16:19
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Hi Jim

I know what you mean! My Great Uncle was with the Northumberland Fusiliers, when the whistle blew they were, according to one eye witness the first out of the trench. The Germans were recovering from the hours of shelling, however, according to another eye witness, as soon as they were up the German machine guns concentrated their fire in that direction, so, was this where he met his death, it was the most likely place. It could of course been when they reached the first or second trench, or when they were shelled by the Germans and by our own side in error, who knows?

He was recorded as at roll call as wounded, I guess he did not get killed outright. I can only assume that a pal saw what happened, but could not stop to help. Finally, it was not possible to bring him in from no man's land.

Like you, I know where and roughly when he died, but I must make assumptions about the 'How' based on what was going on around him and the most likely to have happened - 'wounded by machine gun bullets and died on the field of battle - with no proof, this is the best I can offer for my Great Uncle.

I would say that it did not matter how he died, the fact that he did was and is enough to make him a brave man in a situation that was very difficult, traumatic, and trying, he should be remembered for his deeds!

This is, of course, is how I feel about the situation of which you write, others will have their feelings, you can only allow them to decide.

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Thank you again ,my friend,for your ever so discerning overview of my dilemma.Like you I am fairly certain WHAT killed him.I have a letter to my GM from GF's erstwhile CO,also drawn into the desperate fighting of the German Spring Offensive, south of the Somme; on a 5th Army front. In the letter he tells her, that he was also wounded that day; and a badly wounded Sgt.told him that "he had been hit by the same shell which had killed Capt.Leask.5/NF"
I have been to the village many times and have taken many photographs and measurements; to build up a picture of how the village "could be taken"and have written a scenario around the theory- but is it good enough??


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Old 25-02-2011, 18:38
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Hi Jim

"but is it good enough"

The answer to this question can only be given by those who read it, the problem is we all suffer from doubt, the work can be perfectly acceptable, but our thoughts are to allways do the best we can. It is a big leap of faith, but one we must make. The doubt makes success sweeter.

An exapmle of my point if I may? those who know us are less critical than those we meet on a forum and those on the forum may say "Great work", but do they really mean it, again self doubt creeps in.
I was searching the web for more snippets for the site when I came across an Australian forum and found to my amazement a thread about my site, if people who do not know you are more likely to write honestly about what they read. (I have signed up to the site, but I am still waiting confirmation)
Anyway, check it out and see the point I make?

http://desert-column.phpbb3now.com/v....php?f=8&t=567

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Old 26-02-2011, 07:20
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It is a big leap of faith,which if I don't take; I'll go to my grave not having done anything.I'm going to bite the bullet and get on with it; and as you say let others be the judges.Thank you for your kind patience and support.
I did take a look at website you left a link to-very impressive-all guys,like on this Forum, passionate about their interest-wanting to show what they've done,found.whatever.
I'll keep in touch ,if I may;and let you know how I'm getting along.
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Old 26-02-2011, 09:32
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Please do, Jim and you are very welcome

If you wish to pass something by me to see what I think, or just have a rant because things aren't going well, just P.M. or email me?

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I thought the background and font colouring absolutely spot on -very easy on the eye.
NB.The Northumberlands had quite a sizeable "Butchers Bill"!?

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Thanks, Jim

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Default Bellewaarde 1915. Further Updates!

Just a quick note to let you know of further update to the Bellewaarde 1915 website!

www.bellewaarde1915.co.uk

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Cracking bit of extra detail Martin.

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Old 06-03-2011, 19:57
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Thanks, Jim.

There is more to come in the following weeks, so keep your eyes open my friend!

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Old 21-03-2011, 22:44
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A few more updates available to view!

www.bellewaarde1915.co.uk

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Old 15-04-2011, 19:28
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Default Remembering the Fallen of Bellewaarde

The Battle of Bellewaarde took place on 16th June 1915
In memory of the men, British and German, who fought and fell

You can now leave a message of remembrance at:

www.bellewaarde1915.co.uk

click on the link at the bottom right of the main page
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Old 23-12-2011, 15:08
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Default Bellewaarde Update

Just thought that you might like to know!

The Battle of Bellewaarde website has just been updated with new information:
1 x 23rd November and 12 items 23rd December

When you access the site please press the F5 key at the top of your keyboard to refresh the computers cache memory, then go to the ‘Updates’ link at the bottom of the page.

Also, please leave feedback either on the site at ‘Guestbook’ at bottom of page or on this site.

I hope you enjoy viewing

www.bellewaarde1915.co.uk


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Hello Martin and many thanks for your post and the link to the site. It would be nice to see the World Naval Ships Forum site listed with the Links.

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Say no more, Jim! I'll get it done on the next update.

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This forum is now recommended on the Bellewaarde website on the 'Links' page. To view this page a link can be found at the bottom of the main page.

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Old 21-01-2012, 17:26
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Default Bellewaarde 1915 Facebook Group

Just to let you know that there is a group page for Bellewaarde 1915 with up to date chat about the battle, soldiers and maps etc.
Take a look and if you wish, join up, you will be very welcome.
I will also participate in these pages.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/B...group_activity


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Old 10-03-2012, 19:09
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Jim, how are things going?

I thought I would catch up on your project and see how far you have managed to get.

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Old 23-03-2014, 21:38
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Just to let you know that the book will be available on Amazon in August this year. The author is Carole McEntee- Taylor and introduced by Martin Clift :-D

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Battle-B.../dp/1783400528

Also we are raising funds for a battlefield memorial and you can donate at www.bellewaarde1915.co.uk You can find lots more information at https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/Bellewaarde1915/

Thanks for your support in the early years

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Default Bellewaarde 1915 Book & Memorial

Well, it's been some time since my last post, which has been due to more research on the Battle of Bellewaarde, 16th June 1915. I have also decided where I should be going with it all.

As some of you may know, I decided to raise funds for a battlefield memorial, which should be unveiled next year on 16th June, the centenary.
The site is on the southern edge of the battlefield and is next to the Menin Road. It will be placed at the front right of the Hooge Crater Museum and I am glad to say that if you ever travel on the Menin Road you will not be able to miss it!
The museum, which is an old church, can only be used for educational or religious purposes and can not be demolished. Also, it has been written into the deeds that if the museum is sold the new owners will not be allowed to remove the memorial without permission of Bellewaarde 1915 (As we are now called). The local authorities have also given legal permission for the erection to take place.

Promotion of our activities is paramount as we need to raise the sum of £20.000, so the research that I had completed was put to good use and the author, Carole McEntee-Taylor put the book, The Battle of Bellewaarde, June 1915, together. She also completed more research so that the book can describe what each regiment, including German, did from the start of the Great War. Carole will also donate the authors royalties to the fund.
The book is now available at Pen & Sword

The main website is in the process of being updated to reflect the new information, which has been used in the book and also allow viewers to the site leave a donation and also be redirected to the new mini On-Line Store or the Bellewaarde 1915 Facebook Group, where followers can get updates and information about what is going on. You can also view the main website at www.bellewaarde1915.co.uk

We have also changed our name, to better reflect our purpose, to Bellewaarde 1915 Memorial Fund. It is run as a charity with responsible people at the helm to ensure the correct operation and function of the charity. We have also appointed, Paul Laidlaw, Antiques Expert and Auctioneer, as our patron. Paul also does a lot of work for the BBC,s Bargain Hunt and Antiques Roadtrip.

We are working closely with Tottenham Hotspurs, who have a connection through Alf Hobday. Alf played for Tottenham in the 1913-14 season, but answered the call at the outbreak of war and returned to the 1st Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers with the rank of Sergeant. He led his men from Railway Wood and like so many others fell on 16th June.
Tottenham have agreed to promote our cause with their supporters through their media platforms.

We are also supported by Helion and Company (Publishers) who have commissioned Peter Dennis, a military artist, to paint a scene from the battle and then create large prints of the painting. The first 500 will be numbered and signed by the artist. Helion are supporting us by funding this project throughout and then donating profits to the fund. There is also discussion about selling the original, again providing funds.

Please visit the website and look at the other links and if you feel you can donate to the fund you can find a 'Donate' button on the main website and also at the On-line Store.
You can also support us by passing this on to your friends and family who may be interested.

Many thanks to jainso31 for support in the early days, it was much appreciated.

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I must say a big CONGRATULATIONS to you Martin-for your obvious and tireless perseverence over the years; which has culminated in having a book published and the setting up a Memorial Fund.I sincerely wish you all good fortune in the time ahead.
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