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Old 24-10-2008, 23:38
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I found this photo with my grandfathers R.N. momentos. I'm not sure if it's one of my family or a postcard of some sort. I think he's wearing some sort of cadet uniform. It's probably about 1910. Any ideas ? Kevin.
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Old 25-10-2008, 00:13
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Kevin - I appreciate it takes a bit of getting used to but you seem to have posted this picture in a thread especially used for multi-ship postcards and pictures!!
I will move it later on - and let you know by PM where I have put it.
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Old 29-11-2008, 13:46
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Please see attached photo.

I believe that he is Royal Navy and guess end of 19th Century/beginning of 20th Century but I am not sure?

Can anyone please advise me when this photo would have been taken?

I assume that he is wearing his first GCB just above his elbow, but what is the other horizontal stripe at the top of his arm?

I'm not expecting anyone will identify him but if he is your Great Uncle Willie, all well and good!

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Old 29-11-2008, 15:53
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Its a 'watch stripe' denoting he is in Port Watch, the Photo is pre 1897.

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Thanks, Charles!

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Old 29-11-2008, 17:00
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Its a 'watch stripe' denoting he is in Port Watch, the Photo is pre 1897.

Regards Charles
Never seen that before Charles. Does that mean that if he changed to the Starboard Watch he would put it on the other arm/change colour or what ???

Intrigued!!!

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Old 29-11-2008, 19:36
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Gerry,

Watch Stripes—To be half inch blue jean and red braid respectively; upon the outer part of the sleeve, at the junction of the sleeve and the body, 12 inches in length; blue on white frocks and jumpers, red on blue frocks and jumpers. Starboard watch to wear stripes on the right arm, port watch on the left.

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Old 29-11-2008, 19:45
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Fascinating stuff Charles, I have to trawl thro` some of my old books as I have genuinely never seen that before ( or I missed it).

Wonder when we will stop learning on this Forum!!!

Thanks again

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Please see attached photo.

I believe that he is Royal Navy and guess end of 19th Century/beginning of 20th Century but I am not sure?

Can anyone please advise me when this photo would have been taken?

I assume that he is wearing his first GCB just above his elbow, but what is the other horizontal stripe at the top of his arm?

I'm not expecting anyone will identify him but if he is your Great Uncle Willie, all well and good!

Best wishes

Hi Alick,

The design of the cuff on his uniform was introduced in 1867. there were two rows of white tape along the upper edge of the cuff which were peaked in the centre and one along the lower edge. The style of white frock tucked into the trousers was discontinued in 1906. He is in No. 6 (best) white uniform worn in hot climates. Headwear with this dress was a sennet hat made of straw. So my guess is that the picture was taken between 1890 and 1906 - It may have been after as old style uniforms were allowed to be worn for some time after replacement.
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Hi Alick,

The design of the cuff on his uniform was introduced in 1867. there were two rows of white tape along the upper edge of the cuff which were peaked in the centre and one along the lower edge. The style of white frock tucked into the trousers was discontinued in 1906. He is in No. 6 (best) white uniform worn in hot climates. Headwear with this dress was a sennet hat made of straw. So my guess is that the picture was taken between 1890 and 1906 - It may have been after as old style uniforms were allowed to be worn for some time after replacement.
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Hi Alick,
Done a bit more investigating. As a result my guess that the picture was taken between 1890 and 1906 is wrong. Watch stripes were discontinued in 1895, so it is unlikely that the picture was taken after 1896.
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Hi Alick,
Done a bit more investigating. As a result my guess that the picture was taken between 1890 and 1906 is wrong. Watch stripes were discontinued in 1895, so it is unlikely that the picture was taken after 1896.
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Thank you, Mike B,

The answer at last! That is great! Much appreciated.

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I recently saw a photo of a Royal Navy guard, and while the sailors were still wearing white web gaiters, I noticed the officers were not wearing the traditional high black leather gaiters. Is this no longer a dress item in the RN, and if so does anyone know when they were eliminated?
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Hey all,

Just doing some research on my great grandfather who served as a CPO in WW2 and was wondering about his uniform.

The buttons on his tunic, what did they have on them? Crown above a fouled anchor?

His CPO buttons on his sleeves, are they the same in design and in size?

I have a CPO cap badge however its made of solid metal. I've seen other cap badges that appear to be completely soft, whats the difference? Looking on ebay I found both type with the metal one having the description of "WW2 era economy pattern"

I know CPO's had their own mess but did they have a mess kit?

Lastly does anyone know where I can get hold of a pair of Chief Stoker CPO collar badges from? I've been searching for ages and just can't find a pair.

Cheers

EDIT: To sidetrack slightly. I often see photos of new recruits passing out or completing a certain school . In theory should there be one for a class my great grandfather passed out with? Where should I look to find these pictures?

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Old 29-05-2009, 18:16
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Hencore

The answer to your first two questions is YES.

The metal CPOs badge was a cheaper option to produce and thus was a wartime issue, when things got back to normal the embroidered badge was issued.

Mess kit at the time your ggf was in did not exist. However "mess undress" was introduced in the late 60s and consisted of a "bum-freezer" dinner jacket worn with cummerbund ,dress shirt and bow tie. It was not a compulsory piece of kit but gained popularity in the 70s when it seemed most chiefs had it.

Try the specialist badge dealers on ebay ,its not an uncommon badge.

As regards the passing out photo it depends where he did his training some establishments had a photographer on site and there are a wealrh of class photos others didnt bother.

Hope this helps

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Old 29-05-2009, 18:52
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Thanks Gerry.

All of his training appears to taken place at HMS Victory. Seems hard to find out about anything at the base as searching for Victory gives you the obvious results.

If they are common badges I'm doing something drastically wrong. I've been checking ebay for months and nothing. You get the odd Stoker badge, there's a PO stoker badge on there at the minute, but I've never seen a pair of CPO ones.
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Old 29-05-2009, 19:01
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If you click on to the "New Members" forum on the second page of threads there is one titled "Confusion over HMS Victory". I put this together as many members did not realise that Victory had several outposts.

Have you tried the"Shop" part of badge dealers rather than auction items??

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Old 29-05-2009, 22:21
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Unless they have changed the badge recently you should be able to buy it at Slops or a Naval Tailor. You need a collar badge the PO's wear a full size one on the sleeve.

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I was doing some research the other night and on one of the sites I was on it listed numerous sets of clothing for various levels / ranks

i.e. No 1s, No 2s, No 3s, No4s, etc.

1/ were these issued F.O.C.
2/how many sets were issued of each
3/ likewise the shoe's

I also noted with great pleasure that Engineering was the top of a list for coloured inserts on the sleeves to denote trade....which I noted are now abolished....if you can't take it............etc
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Old 15-06-2009, 20:27
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No.1s was your best uniform. With gold badges. and medals.
No.2s was second best uniform but with red badges. This was for Duty i.e. Gangway staff.
No.3s was 3rd best uniform. This was worn where uniform was required but may get dirty. For the gods gifted few this was for entering harbour under procedure A & B. (Alpha :- Entering/Leaving harbour where ships company, not required for duty clear lower deck and man the upper deck. Bravo:- Where only the men required for entering/leaving harbour are required. Procedure C:- Only the men required for entering/leaving harbour are required. These are rigged in No.8s)

I forget what No.4s are

No.6s Full dress White uniform for use instead of No.1s in tropical areas

No.8s Dark blue Trousers, Light blue shirt. Used as general working rig.

No.10s Dark Blue shorts and No.8s shirt. Used as per No.8s in tropical areas. Sandals were used with No.10s

There was also 6As, which, I think, was White front and white trousers and white shoes

Issued:- 2pr boots, 1pr shoes, 2 pr Sandals, 2pr white shoes

This was in my time 1966-1978
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when i joined in 1990 thats about the same set of kit as we were likley to get, but now that we are a penny pinching outfit!
New entries get number ones and no number two uniform, number eights are now reduced to being called number fours probably to reflect the fact we have less uniforms!
Around the mid 90s we stopped wearing red epaulettes on our shoulders and everyone now has gold epaulettes to reflect their rate and for junior rates so they know what service they are in they get to wear epaulettes with Royal Navy on them.
When you get promoted to petty officer you are entitled to get your number ones supplied and fitted for nothing
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Well done that man,

Hell of a lot of gear to move around when room is at such a premium on board
how did you manage to store / clean it all ?
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We usually bought our No 1s. from a naval Tailor. I used "Erlich`s" There were a number of tailors throughout the U.K.
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We usually bought our No 1s. from a naval Tailor. I used "Erlich`s" There were a number of tailors throughout the U.K.

Why....? and how much could that set you back Stan ?
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No.1s was your best uniform. With gold badges. and medals.
No.2s was second best uniform but with red badges. This was for Duty i.e. Gangway staff.
No.3s was 3rd best uniform. This was worn where uniform was required but may get dirty. For the gods gifted few this was for entering harbour under procedure A & B. (Alpha :- Entering/Leaving harbour where ships company, not required for duty clear lower deck and man the upper deck. Bravo:- Where only the men required for entering/leaving harbour are required. Procedure C:- Only the men required for entering/leaving harbour are required. These are rigged in No.8s)

I forget what No.4s are

No.6s Full dress White uniform for use instead of No.1s in tropical areas

No.8s Dark blue Trousers, Light blue shirt. Used as general working rig.

No.10s Dark Blue shorts and No.8s shirt. Used as per No.8s in tropical areas. Sandals were used with No.10s

There was also 6As, which, I think, was White front and white trousers and white shoes

Issued:- 2pr boots, 1pr shoes, 2 pr Sandals, 2pr white shoes

This was in my time 1966-1978
The RAN was very much the same qprdave. From memory No 4's was blue suit and collar with that short sleeve blue woolen jumper - mostly worn as night clothing in colder areas.

No 10's was white shorts, white front, black stocking socks and black shoes.

10A's was blue shorts (working), No. 8 shirt, black stocking socks and black shoes. Footwear could be relaxed to sandals at sea or in the tropics.

There was also 2A's, which was bell bottom (blue) trousers and white front.

The tailor of choice for most of the RAN was "Red Anchor". Still going today.

I remember the tiddly No.1 suit I had made in Hong Kong. Great piece of gear. Lightweight blue material with button down flap on the trousers instead of a clasp and zipper. Worked a treat at the movies with the girlfriend.
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Hello to all

Can anyone identify the period of the RN uniform in this photo please?

Thanks for any help you can give

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