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herakles
31-01-2008, 09:25
There have been 3 ships carrying this proud name. A fourth was planned but was never commissioned.

1. HMAS Australia

was an Orlando class cruiser,commissioned in 1888.

Displacement: 5,600 tons
Length: 300 ft (91.44 m)
Beam: 56 ft (17.07 m)
Draught: 22.5 ft (6.86 m)
Propulsion: 3-cylinder triple-extension steam engines two shafts 4 double-ended boilers 5,500 hp
8,500 hp forced-draught
Speed: 17 knots natural draughtn18 knots forced draught
Range: 10,000 nautical miles (19,000 km) at 10 knots (19 km/h)
Complement: 484
Armament: 2 × 9.2 in (234 mm) guns (2 x 1)BL
10 x 6 in (152 mm) guns (10 x 1) BL
6 × 6 pdr guns (6 × 1) QF
10 × 3 pdr guns (10 × 1) QF
6 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes:
4 above-water broadside
1 bow and 1 stern submerged
Armour: 10 in (254 mm) belt
12 in (304.8 mm) conning tower

She was scrapped in 1905

2. HMAS Australia

was an Indefatigable class battlecruiser launched in 1911

18,800 tons
Length: 590 feet (overall)
Beam: 80 feet
Draught: 30 feet (maximum), 26 feet 6 inches (mean)
Builder: John Brown & Co Ltd, Clydebank, Glasgow, Scotland
Laid Down: 26 June 1910
Launched: 25 October 1911, by Lady Reid, wife of Sir George Reid, Australian High Commissioner in London and former Prime Minister
Completed: 21 June 1913
Horsepower: 44,000
Speed: 25 knots
Armament: 8 x 12-inch guns
14 x 4-inch guns
2 x 18-inch torpedo tubes (broadside, submerged)
Armour: Maximum 6 inches (belt) amidships
Fuel: Coal - 3170 tons maximum bunkerage; 1200 tons normal bunkerage Oil - 840 tons

Her motto was Endeavour in recognition of James Cook.

Two days after launching the ship hoisted the flag of Rear Admiral George Edwin Patey, MVO (later Vice Admiral Sir George Patey, KCMG, KCVO), who had been selected to command the Australian Fleet. Along with HMAS Sydney, she arrived in Australia toward the end of 1913.

At the outbreak of war she was detailed to the Southern Pacific to counteract the influence of the German East Asiatic Cruiser Squadron. She participated in the capture of German possessions in New Guinea.

In December 1914 she was ordered to England and en route captured the supply ship of von Spee. She arrived at Rosyth and became flagship of the 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadron, flying the flag of Rear Admiral Sir William Pakenham, KCB, MVO

The squadron patrolled the North Sea but the only time she fired in anger was at a suspected submarine in December 1917. In April 1916 she had a collision with HMNZS New Zealand and was forced to take repairs, thus missing the Battle of Jutland. In December 1917 she had a collision with HMS Repulse and once again withdrew for repairs. In March 1918 she was adapted to launch a Sopwith Struter. This was the first ever launching of a two-seater aircraft from a battle cruiser. By the end of the war nearly every British capital ship carried a Strutter for reconnaissance and a Sopwith Pup or Sopwith Camel as a fighter.

Back in Australia in early 1919, she was the subject of a mutiny at Fremantle after a not impossible request from the crew was turned down by the Captain. As there were no further duties to perform, in 1924 she was prepared for scuttling to comply with the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922, which provided for a reduction in naval strengths.

3. HMAS Australia (D84)

was a County class heavy cruiser launched in 1927.

Displacement: 9,850 tons (10,010 t) standard, 13,450 tons (13,670 t) full load
Length: 630 ft (192 m)
Beam: 68.25 ft (20.8 m)
Draught: 16.25 ft (4.9 m)
Propulsion: 4 shaft Brown-Curtis geared turbines, 8 Admiralty 3-drum boilers, 80,000 shp.
Speed: 31.5 knots
Range: 3,100 miles at 31.5 knots (5,740 km at 58 km/h), 13,300 miles at 12 knots (24,600 km at 22 km/h); 3,400 tons (3,450 t) fuel oil
Complement: 679 (848 at war)
Armament: Original configuration:
8 x 8 in (203 mm) single guns,
4 x 4 in (102 mm) dual Anti-aircraft guns,
4 x 3 pdr guns
Armour: Original configuration:
1 to 4 in magazine box protection,
1.375 in deck,
1 in side-plating,turrets and bulkheads,
4.5 in belt,
4 internal boiler room sides (added 1936-1940)
Aircraft carried: 1 aircraft
Motto: "Endeavour"

This ship was most usually being attacked during World War 2. She took part in Operation Menace off Dakar in 1940. She was hit by shore batteries and her reconnaissance plane shot down. She spent time with the British Home Fleet and was the target of enemy bombers when in Liverpool. During 1941 she escorted convoys and patrolled the Indian and Atlantic oceans. She patrolled Australian waters and sailed as far south as Antarctica. In 1942 she escorted the first American troops to Australia.

The Aussie took part in the Battle of The Coral Sea, narrowly escaping a concerted attack from torpedo bombers. She supported the invasions of Guadalcanal and the New Guinea campaign, including the Allied landings in New Britain.

In 1944 during the battle of Leyte Gulf she was the first ship ever to encounter Kamikaze attack. About 30 men were killed including the Captain. Four days later she was hit again by the Kamikaze and had to retire to the New Hebrides for repairs. Being the last survivor of the heavy cruiser fleet she returned again to the Philippines and once again was subjected to several Kamikaze attacks. All told, she survived 6 Kamikaze attacks before war's end. Total loss of life was 86. So serious was the damage that in late 1944 she was forced to retire. She never saw enemy action again.

Post WW2 she served as a training ship and was decommissioned in 1954.

The first 2 pictures are of Australia 1, the third of Australia 2 passing through the Panama canal.

cissystar650
01-02-2008, 08:24
Again, excellent 'potted' history! I have soooo much to learn :D

herakles
01-02-2008, 08:31
Thanks cissystar!

I forgot to say at the time that the various HMAS Australia's were always the flag ship of the RAN.

The Sailor
03-02-2008, 08:55
A big interesting post me old mate. Great job.

It is interesting to note here of the difference in psyche between Australia and Germany at that time.
Germany went to war with a major naval unit named Deutschland.

After the start of World War II, she was renamed Lützow in November 1939 because Adolf Hitler feared that the loss of a ship with the name Deutschland (Germany) would have a significant negative psychological and propaganda effect.

Australia sailed on through "thick and thin", as they used to say on my Boys own annuals.

herakles
03-02-2008, 09:07
A big interesting post me old mate. Great job.

Australia sailed on through "thick and thin", as they used to say on my Boys own annuals.

That's why she was always called "The Aussie"!

kookaburra
13-12-2008, 04:44
Below in two posts is a pictorial record of the R.A.N.'s WW11 flagship, the Kent Class heavy cruiser HMAS Australia (the first flagship has been pictorially charted on a separate thread). As Herk as detailed, unlike the WW1 battlecruiser HMAS Australia , the "Aussie' of WW11 had a service life filled with action and incident: served on all oceans; circumnavigated the world three times: received and inflicted immense damage on her enemies; and it was a great shame that after the two rounds of kamikaze attacks in the Philippines (following post) she was not available to join the victorious fleet entry into Tokyo Bay.

herakles
13-12-2008, 04:47
These are excellent pictures of a great ship K! Almost as good a ship as HMAS Perth! :D

kookaburra
13-12-2008, 05:46
premature judgment. I hadn't finished with Aussie's great record yet. This takes it through to post-war with X-turret removed: and finally some of the art for the record. That's it.

astraltrader
13-12-2008, 21:02
Despite being the Royal Navy`s first type of cruiser to be constructed after WW1, the County Class had such a long and successful service life that they still provided the back bone for RN cruiser operations in WW2.

The class saw service in nearly every theatre of the war.

Amazingly of the 13 ships built [in three separate tranches], 10 survived the war and no fewer than 7 [including Australia] were in service well into the 1950`s...

I include 4 different pictures of her. the first 2 were taken during the mid-1930`s and the other two during 1943.

kookaburra
14-12-2008, 01:00
Thanks for the addition of those excellent and unseen shots. The last two are superb. Yes, I seem to recall that the discussion when they appeared was that the Kent and County Classes, with their high freeboards and funnels, would make very easy targets. But they were very well compatmentalized, and proved entirely durable in service.

Also, by repute, among the the most comfortable of ships in the fleet to live on in terms of accomodation arrangements.

astraltrader
14-12-2008, 05:12
Absolutely. From what I have read they were always popular with their crew and were excellent sea-keepers.
I have always been interested as well in the final derivatives from them - the York Class, which although originally planned I think from memory for 5 ships, only ever produced just the two - York and Exeter.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
21-07-2009, 02:03
H.M.A.S. Australia, date unknown, in Wellington harbour.
Picture courtesy of the Evening Post and Alexander Turnbull Library.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
21-07-2009, 02:12
I could not resist putting up another picture of this ship showing the funnels being painted while she was lying in Wellington,NZ.
This is the kind of job that never changes.
Picture courtesy of the S.C. Charles (deceased) colllection and the Alexander Turnbull Library.

kookaburra
21-07-2009, 03:00
Paint, paint, paint, paint.

We just kept painting the old girl Colin (you're first pic's a beauty too - just saved it into my 'favourites' folder).

More congrats also to the great Andrew Turnbull Library - my old repro is not nearly so good.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
21-07-2009, 05:23
Hi Kukaburro.
A last picture of the Australia at Port Chalmers, Dunedin,NZ, about 1930 I think.
I will pass your welcome comment about the Alexander Turnbull Library to them, I know that they will appreciate it.
I have lost them now but I was once presented with Alexander Turnbulls cut glass set of inkwells!

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
23-07-2009, 19:47
My last one of the elegant H.M.A.S. Australia arriving in Wellington.

kookaburra
23-07-2009, 23:45
Another super addition to the pic profile of this great ship's life Colin. TMV (thanks very much). Here's a similar sort of scene of her being tied up, in Williamstown, Melbourne.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
23-07-2009, 23:56
Another super addition to the pic profile of this great ship's life Colin. TMV (thanks very much). Here's a similar sort of scene of her being tied up, in Williamstown, Melbourne.

Glad you liked the picture of that lovely ship, Kookaburra. By the way, I am still laughing at your description of a modern warship i.e. "A sleek fireworks barge!"
I think those were your words as I recall.

kookaburra
24-07-2009, 01:39
Glad you liked the picture of that lovely ship Kookaburra. By the way, I am still laughing at your description of a modern warship i.e. "A sleek fireworks barge!"
I think those were your words as I recall.


Yep, probably they'll all be remotely-controlled from land one day Colin. As far as I'm concerned they can just sew me up in a canvas bag and sink me at sea.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
24-07-2009, 03:17
Yep, probably they'll all be remotely-controlled from land one day Colin. As far as I'm concerned they can just sew me up in a canvas bag and sink me at sea.

It's a wonder they have'nt done it already! They have proved that they can kill with drone planes so why not drone ships?
A bit tongue in cheek I know but todays science fiction does have a habbit of becoming tomorrows science fact.
So, keep your canvas bag handy!

Dreadnought
27-09-2009, 11:20
Perhaps someone could confirm which 'Australia' this is? The uniforms suggest it might be the first one (1186 -1905).

My Great Uncle served on her for several months in 1900 as P.O. Gunner. He later transferred to the RANS achieving the rank of Lieutentant Commander and settled in Cornelian Bay, Tasmania, wher he died in 1n 1954.

kookaburra
27-09-2009, 11:26
Perhaps someone could confirm which 'Australia' this is? The uniforms suggest it might be the first one (1186 -1905).

My Great Uncle served on her for several months in 1900 as P.O. Gunner. He later transferred to the RANS achieving the rank of Lieutentant Commander and settled in Cornelian Bay, Tasmania, wher he died in 1n 1954.

Yes, that is HMAS Australia 1 [1913-1924] Dreadnought, with her 12-inch guns. Huge photo! I'm surprised the server took it - but, it's good.

Ah, just noticed your great uncle was aboard HMS Australia in 1900. That was the armoured cruiser - there's a pic of her, and some details, on the other HMAS Australia thread in this section - called 'The Battlecruiser HMAS Australia'. The Circa1900 HMS Australia was an earlier vessel to this one shown in your photograph. There have been three HMS/HMAS Australias.

alanbenn
02-10-2009, 11:26
Thought I would add a contibution to the thread for all you aussies out there and for the members this side of the globe.

Here's a stunning photo of Hmas Australia.


Regards
Alan

kronserg
02-10-2009, 13:03
The first and the last capital ship of the Australian Navy:

http://s15.radikal.ru/i189/0910/ae/d00866de3898t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s15.radikal.ru/i189/0910/ae/d00866de3898.jpg.html)

Bear
03-10-2009, 02:49
Yep, probably they'll all be remotely-controlled from land one day Colin. As far as I'm concerned they can just sew me up in a canvas bag and sink me at sea.

...with the final stitch through the nose and I'll be in the canvas bag a'side ye!
It may be of interest that HMAS Australia is one of the few WWII ships that still has a past-members association. The Adelaide chapter meets once a month and I know a couple of blokes that attend regularly. It probably reflects the fact that she was still in commission into the 50s.

It is important to get the HMS/HMAS Australia distinction right. Our first HMA ships were in late 1910 I think when Yarra 1 and Parramatta1 were commissioned. Or perhaps 'HMAS' became extant when King George V granted the title of 'Royal Australian Navy' to the Commonwealth Naval Forces on 10 July, 1911?

I'm a little rusty on my history in this area, so perhaps someone can put me right about whether it was 1910 or 1911.

Both of the 'Australia's were mighty ships. The first had a much quieter war than the second, although she was involved in the capture of German Pacific possessions in 1914.