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Stan.J
08-01-2008, 20:48
During the 2nd World war the most successful and best known U-Boat ace was Otto Kretschmer. He sank during a period of 18 months over a quarter of a million tons of enemy shipping. Second only to him was Kapitan zur See Wolfgang Luth. He sank almost 50 ships. approximately 230,000 tons.
he was the first of two Officers to receive the highest award. The Knights Cross with Diamonds.
During the war he took command of 4 U-Boats Including U9 the number of the Boat which the famous Otto Weddigen commanded during the first world war.
This U9 was built in 1935 and had on its conning tower a the shape of the Iron Cross which they dedicated to Weddigen.
Wolfgang was a dedicated adherent to the NAZI cause and followed this line throughout his service. He seemed to have no compunction to the crews of any of the ships he sank. However he was idolised by his crew. They were alsways backed up by him at all times.
In 1944 he was made Commandant of the German Naval Acadamy. He was only thirty years old- The youngest Captain on the Books.
However the end of Wolfgang Luth took a different path to many of the U-Boat Captains. In May 1945 when the War was over He was in Flensburg which was in the British area of occupation.British forces allowed Luth, as the Area Commander at the time, to post German Sentries because of the possible threat to the generak welfare of the area.. Luth took the sentries fromAdmiral Donitz`s Guard Battalion, a unitformed for the protection of the Government.They were composed of Submariners and Commanded By Korvettenkapitan Peter Cremer. "Ask once for the password" Luth had put in written orders,"and if no answer, Shoot".

After midnight .the weather being dark, rainy, windy and cold.A youngster of 18 years Matthias Gottlob was the sentry on duty. At half midnight he heard footsteps "Halt!" he shouted. "Wer da?"(who is there)
Nobody answered. Gottlob called again "Wer da?" still no answer. The stranger has stopped. a third time he cried "Wer da?". No answer. Gottlob shoots his rifle and heard the fall of a body. Another guard came up and asked "What happened?" "I shot someone" replied Gottlob. The other guard peers at the body on the ground "Its a senior Officer.One of ours"
The sentry looked down closely at the body on the ground.
"God," he said "Its Wolfgang Luth, The Commandant."

I wonder what Wolfgang Luth would have done if he had survived the war? I suspect he would still have been involved in The New German navy when it was restarted later on. Or would he had been incarcerated in prison? We can only surmise.
Thanks to Jordan Vause and "The U-Boat Ace."

herakles
08-01-2008, 20:53
A most interesting post stan!

I am wondering why the man was so successful as a U boat commander. Did he do anything different?

The Sailor
09-01-2008, 10:08
An interesting post for the forum Stan. Well done.

I have to own up here about something Stan. I don't have a lot of sympathy for any of Hitler's heros. People like this were responsible for the virtual destruction of the former British Empire of nations and our former way of life. And for what? Is it a better world? I don't think so.
Thousands died in the battle of the Atlantic. Many from inhaling or consuming oil. Many from drowning in freezing waters. Many from being scalded to death by super heated steam.
The work of Hitler's U-boat heros.

I'm dry eyed when I read of their demise.

Stan.J
12-01-2008, 12:26
Sailor,
Like you, I dont have much Sympathy for the more evil type of German Nazi supporters but the ordinary Sailor was not any different to us. As an ex Engine Room man myself, I know what it must have been liketo suffer superheated Steam death in the Boiler Rooms of sinking ships. But I still think that the end of Wolfgang Luth strikes an unusual finish to someone of his Status. The guard who fired the shot said he couldn`t see who it was...(I Wonder?) It could make a good film anyway. Sorry I havent been back earlier but I have had a new Hard Drive fitted on my Comp. Had to reset a lot of sites etc.
Cheers Stan.

herakles
12-01-2008, 12:59
Quite right Stan. The average sailor and soldier are the same the world over.

I have the greatest respect for those men deep in the bowels of a ship in wartime. An extremely dangerous occupation.

... There is a good argument for backing up a C drive!

The Sailor
12-01-2008, 20:38
Very noble view Stan. I still don't agree, but concede your good intentions.
I think I'm what's called a hard liner.
Those 'heros of Hitler's engine rooms" were fighting to see Hitler's thugs goose step down Whitehall.

It reminds me of all those paly RAF dinners where Adolph Galland was the guest of honor in the mess. All just pilots together what?
I would have pulled out my old service webley and shot the ex Nazi bastard across the table for the twenty odd young English sons he killed for Hitler.

I'd then have licked another black crossed sticker and slapped on the side of my car later as I drove away.

Yamatoholic
30-08-2008, 06:29
I read somewhere that Donitz - who was already under arrest by the Allies when Luth was shot - was permitted to attend his funeral.

-Matt

John Brown
30-08-2008, 09:12
I read somewhere that Donitz - who was already under arrest by the Allies when Luth was shot - was permitted to attend his funeral.

-Matt

Doenitz did attend the funeral and 'spoke the last words'. Luth's honour guard was made up of six ex U-boat officers who had all received the Knights Cross.

Regards...John

Grom
11-09-2008, 17:13
I think I'm what's called a hard liner.
Those 'heros of Hitler's engine rooms" were fighting to see Hitler's thugs goose step down Whitehall.
Sorry Sailor.
Those heroes did not fight for Hitler to be in Whitehall. They fought because was war, and thats what they have had to do. They were sailors/soldiers who followed orders. I've read W.Luth's biography. He was excellent submarine commander first of all, and thats why he had got respect of crews of submarines. 50 man inside of sub in the middle of ocean who have used 2 toilets and 2 sinks did not care much about ideology. All they bothered about was - how to survive patrol.
Best regards.

billybusdriver
17-11-2008, 19:24
I take no sides on the them and us war, I have both german & british family through marrage. I think the Uboatwaffe were very brave, less than 10,000 returned from 40,000 who went to sea in the uboats. Donitz was not a party member and stood up to hitler over shooting allied sailors in lifeboats. I think he was a honourable officer. And if you read his biography you will note that senior British & Us admirals were outraged about his sentence.[/SIZE]

astraltrader
18-11-2008, 09:26
Welcome to the forum Billy.

I agree with your views entirely. I too would agree that Doenitz was unfairly singled out by his receiving a 10 year prison sentence.