WHATS NEW(ER) ?

[r.morrison]

There is a lot of planned renewal in the Russian Fleets but lack of initial finance will limit this. However they do seem to be orienting themselves towards smaller more compact ships, thus hoping for a substantial export market to help out.

One such example is the Project 20382 STEREGUSCHIY, which is available for export under the denomination "tiger".

Principal arms include 8 SS N 25 URAN antiship missiles (hidden in the midship area) 4 torpedo tubes and an AK 190 100 mm gun.
Antiaircraft support is provided by one KASHTAN complex and 2 AK 630 30 mm gatling type guns. There are 32 Igla missiles which can be fired from two launchers.
It can carry an anti submarine helicopter on the aft deck.

Any photos out there of this or simlar projects (not WIKI or repost ones....)

Thanks in advance, best wishes to all...........

[davep]

thanks for the information, i think its the same the world over even we are looking at building the type 26 with some export potential.
although the germans have been years ahead with there meko design that has been a basis for a number of different navies

[hucks216]

Recently France has agreed to sell to Russia 4 new Mistral class amphib carriers, although nothing has been confirmed formally yet. At present the plan is to build the first at St Nazaire with a future decision on where the other 3 will be built, i.e. France or Russia.
Interesting to see that while a whole host of short sighted political (and Army oriented) groups are casting their doubts on the UK's need for new carriers, Paris & Moscow are heading in the opposite direction. With Russia wishing to also build 6 strike carriers in the future (although wishing and funding are 2 entirely different things), India looking to buy one and build another and China looking at obtaining one it seems that it is only the UK that has the problem of 'selling' the requirement for such ships to all concerned.

SS-N-25 Uran is know in the West by it's NATO nickname 'Switchblade' (or 'Kayak' for the air launched variant).

[r.morrison]

Above all tha Mistral will most certainly be built and sold, there is too much at stake for the future of French shipyards. The 3 following ones will involve the use of french workers in one form or another to prepare and complete them.
(There is a separate thread on this subject).
However Mistral is a BPC, "projection and command vessel" and is more dangerous to world peace as it will increase the Russian capacity to intervene with a naval infantry battle group far beyond it's own borders. (They would have loved one in the Black Sea in 2008........)

Whatever happens in the UK, everyone needs at least one or two carriers, there is no doubt about that, what would have happened in the Falklands without ours ?

"Financial bods have short memories in time of (relative) peace"

[Don Boyer]

Regardless of the "World Situation" I wonder if the Russians have learned their lesson -- don't go out their grabbing a bunch of territory and calling it an empire -- oops, I mean "Union." They did that once, and grabbed just one inch too much turf and fell apart because they couldn't pay the piper. All those countries acquired during and after WWII as a buffer against the imperialist running dogs of the free world now spit on Russia and are mostly Moslem and pissed because they can't get out from under the old system. Funny how the people who live on the acquired lands always seem to be resentful of having it usurped for someone else's profit.

The ones that aren't seem to be quite enamored of the western lifestyle and way of doing business and annoyingly align themselves with western organizations these days.

So Russia can acquire her military materials, including a good amphibious capability. They might even use it someday. But not to do like the old Soviet machine did. Those days are pretty much gone. So I can see them designing a future navy that would be palatable acquisitions for other countries rather than a massive shield against the perceived enemies of the state. Makes good sense. Of course, it seems Russian shipyards aren't what they were, nor is the military bite of the monetary pie the size it once was.

[r.morrison]

Finally, as to how they will pay the Mistral ? Probably in petrol or in gas, as hard cash is tight for all.................

Now getting back to the thread, does anyone have recent pictures of this ship? I wish to verify the exact and final mounting of the anti ship missiles (also known as "Harpoonski" given their copycat likeness to the US kit...)

Thanks in advance to all

[designeraccd]

I have these, IIRC, from a Russian site. I resized them to 800 x? Don't really show the missiles tho: perhaps they launch thru those 4 "slots" on her beam? Typically handsome, rakish Russian design, too...........DFO ;)

[r.morrison]

Just found this line drawing where old strerguschiy hows her knickers to the boys.............:cool:

[r.morrison]

However, do notice a triple mounting in place of the KASHTAN forward. This apparently shows that the design is in constant evolution.......

This shipyard photo of a later model shows the triple VLS forward........:confused:

[r.morrison]

By the way many thanks, designer, the views are smashing, hope my two contributions help further our knowledge................:)

[davep]

nice pictures thanks for posting them

[r.morrison]

One last one before I go...............

Anti rust doesn't seem to work generally in Russia, but they do use it !:rolleyes:

[designeraccd]

Based on the 2 view drawing it appears the SSMs are behind that big "hatch"(?) on her beams....just visible in the pics I put up. BTW...nice view of the building/VLS...hadn't seen that shot before! DFO ;):D

[r.morrison]

Finally can we compare her to the GORSHKOV class which should be on the water shortly (I think it will be a little bigger however):cool:

[designeraccd]

The LATEST addition to their Fleet, second of class, just floated out within last couple of days. At least two more are on stocks, too..........DFO ;)

[r.morrison]

Just to sew things up on this thread

Some more photos of STEREGUSCHIY, many thanks again to all who have contributed or viewed these articles :)

I'm opening a new thread on the GORSHKOV as I've a few interesting yard pictures of her

[r.morrison]

Joining a few more detailed photos taken a while back....:cool:

1) Detail of the emplacements for the SS N 25 URAN mounted in the large well aft of the mast.
2) The KASHTAN CIWS ( No missiles mounted )
3) The towed array ( sorry about the canopy! )
4) CP

[rd77]

Is that really the Gorshkov, not the Gepard? I thought the Gorshkov looked a lot more stealthy and advanced....

Finally can we compare her to the GORSHKOV class which should be on the water shortly (I think it will be a little bigger however):cool:

[r.morrison]

The photos, as the thread are of STEREGUSCHIY not of GORSHKOV which is the object of a separate thread.

Gepard is much smaller:cool:

[rd77]

The photos, as the thread are of STEREGUSCHIY not of GORSHKOV which is the object of a separate thread.

Gepard is much smaller:cool:

Yes, I get that, however I was referring to the picture of the ship model in post #14, which you refer to as being the GORSHKOV. All renderings I've seen so far of the GORSHKOV show an entirely different ship than that model.

Cheers,
Ralph

[r.morrison]

Well I suppose all will be revealed one day when we actually see the GORSHKOV fitted out and on her trials.
The model is apparently a representation of what GORSHKOV will look like on the water.:cool:

[rd77]

I see! That means the Russians went for a more conservative design than they were originally planning:

Well I suppose all will be revealed one day when we actually see the GORSHKOV fitted out and on her trials.
The model is apparently a representation of what GORSHKOV will look like on the water.:cool:

[r.morrison]

Your line drawing is very close to the model..............

It will be interesting to see what appears:cool:

[astraltrader]

rd - could you please repost your images in the thumbnail mode we use here in the forum - as has been done with your previous post.

It is easy to do - all you have to do is click onto the paperclip icon at the top of the reply box here. This will take you to a column of browse buttons - each time you click onto one of these buttons it will take you to where you store your images on your computer.

Many thanks.

[rd77]

OK, no problem! Reposting with thumbnails, hope it comes out right. These are some export versions of the Gepard class, interesting to compare with the Stereguschiy and Gorshkov:

Gepard Project 1660:
78536

78537

78538

The Vietnamese Gepards:
78539

78540

[MelQuick]

Gents

Thanks for sharing the pics - very interesting. The Stereguschiy class ships look very smart and state-of-the-art.

Mel

[astraltrader]

OK, no problem! Reposting with thumbnails, hope it comes out right. These are some export versions of the Gepard class, interesting to compare with the Stereguschiy and Gorshkov:


Many thanks they seem fine. :)

[r.morrison]

Still trawling around to details of the later models. However a certain consensus of opinion does forward that many of the existing weapons systems, the SS N 25 URAN (Switchblade) and certainly the AA systems are in constant evolution. To be competitive on world markets (India, China etc), the ships are to be equipped with newer Russian systems or allow the fitting of customer produced weapons systems (BRAHMOS SS missile for example):cool:

[r.morrison]

A later version of STEREGUSCHIY in the yards and on the waves soon:cool:

Given name : SOOBRAZITELNY

[r.morrison]

A video of STEREGUSCHIY on exercise.....


http://vkontakte.ru/video_ext.php?oid=-8557593&id=147104424&hash=8ef2432db39090dd


:cool:

[designeraccd]

I couldn't help but wonder how OLD the chopper was compared to the ship? She APPEARS to be a far more effective WARship design than the USN's pos LCS....IMhO! Thanks for the video link. DFO :eek::D:D

[designeraccd]

Here is another video link, with her at dockside:

http://www.nartube.net/fd7fbfd3c6:bNP6Tkw5LhI.html

Enjoy! DFO :D

[designeraccd]

Also a nice CGI showing the weapons and electronics in "action"...curiously against USN subs and aircraft! My my, is there a "MESSAGE" there despite obamas "reset" button?

http://www.nartube.net/48fcc20aa5:JBz4cnjhzi8.html

DFO :eek:

[r.morrison]

Well, the NKVD became the KGB which then was renamed the FSB. Nothing changes in this sad world..........:cool:

[designeraccd]

Just the names, but NOT human nature..........unfortunately. DFO ;)

[r.morrison]

Another view of the activity in the Ru yards P 18280 "YURI IVANOVOV" classed as a "large intelligence ship".:cool:



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-(updated-on-regular-basis)/page2541

[Hank]

The articles I've perused reagarding the 2003 constuction of the Project 20382 STEREGUSCHIY have revealed one aspect of what the Russian navy means to include in its mission. The class of vessels was designed from its inception to include recovery of illegal fishing equipment.

[designeraccd]

Can you explain what that means, please? "The class of vessels was designed from its inception to include recovery of illegal fishing equipment."

Is there some crane or ?? on board? Overall though, despite the "sales pitch"...they do appear to be a potentially cost effective design! Besides that, they are handsome WARships...... DFO ;)

[Hank]

"Lo, Designer- The article that that bit of information was gleaned from (recovery of illegal fishing equipment) made no mention of the equipment of the vessel for same.

An article came in today from their wire services regarding the massive naval construction program to upgrade the fleet after decades of thin living. Here's the link:

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20101102/161183586.html

[r.morrison]

The poachers on the river dee better watch out then! (Sorry Harry!):eek:

[r.morrison]

On a more serious note, look at this little marvel, a version of the BUYAN gunship, kitted out to have a rather more effective anti-surface role.

The Projet 21631 is armed with eight SSN 25 URAN antiship missiles and a 100mm gun forward.

The original BUYAN is now in service on the Caspian, and has no anti-ship missiles, but does have a rather nasty naval version of the BM21 122mm 40 barrel rocket launcher....................


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-(updated-on-regular-basis)/page2545


:cool:

[r.morrison]

Coming back to STEREGUSCHIY, we have, finally and after a little debate, details of the FCS etc. aboard
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-(updated-on-regular-basis)/page2804

[r.morrison]

STEREGUSCHIY (again)
Apparently three major groups of ships based on STEREGUSCHIY will see the light of day in a forseeable future. There does seem to be a bit of confusion to the actual project numbers however....can any of our Russian friends help out?
1 STERGUSCHIY : Carries 100mm Gun forward
1 Kashtan CIWS forward
8 URAN SS N 25 ASM amidships
8 PAKET NK Torpedos amidships

2 SOOBRAZITELNY : Carry 100mm Gun forward
BOIKY, STOIKY, 12 REDUT ADM forward
SOVERSHENNY 8 URAN and 8 PAKET NT amidships

3 PROJET 20385 : Will carry 100 mm Gun forward
8 UKSK ASM forwards
8 PAKET NT amidships
16 REDUT ADM aft

[r.morrison]

And as promised a link which shows not only the recent launching of BOIKY but also shows some more general photos of the russian navy

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-(updated-on-regular-basis)/page2856

:cool:

[designeraccd]

From a naval blog..............


St. Petersburg's Severnaya Verf shipyard floated out a new corvette for the Russian Navy featuring stealth technology on Friday.

The Boiky is the third Steregushchy class (Project 20380) corvette designed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau.

The first Project 20380 corvette, the Steregushchy, was put into service with Russia's Baltic Fleet in October 2008, and the second ship in the series, the Soobrazitelny, is expected to join the Russian Navy in 2011.

The Project 20380 corvette can be deployed to destroy enemy surface ships, submarines and aircraft, and to provide artillery support for beach landings. It uses stealth technology to reduce the ship's secondary radar field, as well as its acoustic, infrared, magnetic and visual signatures.

Russia plans to have up to 30 vessels of this class to ensure the protection of its coastal waters, as well as its oil and gas transportation routes, especially in the Black and the Baltic seas.

Each corvette has a displacement of 2,000 metric tons, maximum speed of 27 knots, and a crew of 100.

The ship's armament includes SS-N-25 Switchblade anti-ship missiles, a 100-mm gun and a variety of air defense and anti-submarine systems.

They certainly appear far more combat worthy than the USN's over priced and underarmed LCS. DFO :eek:

[r.morrison]

This would be better under the thread "whats new(er)". There are links to the BOIKY launching in particular........:)

[designeraccd]

Fine with me, had searched under Project #, but nothing popped up. Thought I remembered a thread, but alas with my "failing" memory....couldn't find it. At any rate; this CLASS looks to be quite an effective package in a reasonable size...plus, in typical Russian fashion...very sleek and handsome!! Of course to my biased Designers's eyes that COUNTS!!!! DFO :D:D

[brian james]

I agree..a most attractive looking deadly piece of hardware........

[astraltrader]

This would be better under the thread "whats new(er)". There are links to the BOIKY launching in particular........:)


Your wish is my command sir! ;)

[brian james]

A closeup of the Kashtan CIWS on Steregushiy.......Awesome firepower....

[r.morrison]

The latest version of KASHTAN is to forseen to have 16 missiles in ready to fire position as opposed to the actual 8.

[r.morrison]

Here's a link giving brief details of the BOIKY launch

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110415/163545116.html

[r.morrison]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-(updated-on-regular-basis)/page2896

This link shows photos of the launching of a P 21630 "BUYAN" class gunboat the VOLOGODONSK.

However still seems to be missing the 100mm turret forwards.

This compact design incorporates a 40 tube multiple rocket launch system on the afterdeck, similar to the land based 40 tube 122mm BM 21.:cool: