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Stan.J
05-01-2008, 13:21
The following shows how seafarers of various nations accept friendship and become shipmates even at war or after.
On the 30th July 1943 A Halifax aircraft of Squadron 502/s bombed and hit the U-Boat 462 which was in the Bay of Biscay. The U-Boat was still on the surface when ships of the 2nd Escort Group (Captain F.Walkers Group) opened fire on the boat.The Sloops Wren ,Kite, Woodpecker, Wildgoose and Woodcock eventually sank her. One of the U-Boats crew was killed the other 64 were rescued and taken on board some of the Sloops.
Subsequently, H.M.S.Wildgoose, who had had quite a few survivers on board her, gained contact with the survivors in Germany after the war. In 1992 quite a few of the German crew attended a Wildgoose re-union in Portsmouth.and in the same year the invitation was reciprocated by the Germans inviting members of the Wildgoose members to Germany.For a number of years The German crew members were invited to The Annual Wildgoose re-unions. Many took the opportunity and came. Unfortunately they have all bar one now crossed the bar. Even Kurt and his Wife are too frail now. Being a Member myself, I remember one poignent moment in Portsmouth when a German Lady who had travelled to be there on her own, stood and said a few words. She thanked the Crew of the Wildgoose for giving her nearly 50 years of happiness with her Husband before he died.
The Comradeship between Seafarers can overcome all difficulties. If only others could be the same.
I wonder if any other ex Matelot has any story like that? I would like to see them, Cheers, Stan.

Batstiger
05-01-2008, 14:07
A nice story Stan. Here are some pics of the ships involved.

!. Kite.
2. Kite.
3. Wild Goose.
4. Wild Goose.
5. Woodcock.
6. Woodcock.
7. Woodpecker.
8. Wren.
9. Wren.

herakles
06-01-2008, 22:56
Yes, a moving story indeed.

Tragically this sort of thing doesn't always happen. It rather depends on who the enemy is and where they come from.

John Brown
14-01-2008, 14:23
Stan

Yes, sometimes the comradeship between seafarers does seem to be a great thing and lasts a lifetime. I know that some members of the HMS Hood Association have reunions with German survivors from the Bismark action. Also veterans of the Battle of North Cape have reunions, sometimes onboard HMS Belfast, with their German counterparts
However, Herakles is correct, this comradeship and perhaps code of chivalry is not practiced by all seamen. We have all heard stories of men being 'machined gunned' in the water and not only by ruthless u-boat commanders as atrocities are committed by all sides in a war. I myself often wonder what really happened to the crew of HMAS Sydney?

Regards...John

herakles
14-01-2008, 19:25
The mystery of the loss of HMAS Sydney has always been controversial. There are at least two plausible theories.

That none of her crew survived and that she sailed out of sight of the survivors of the Kormoran means they remain only theories.

It's why so much emphasis has been given to finding the wreck.

This site: http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/HMASSydney/HMASSydney-4.html

discusses just about anything you would want to know about the incident including carefully examining all the theories and all the available records and books about this matter.

The Sailor
14-01-2008, 23:01
To me there has never been a mystery. What simply happened was that an inexperienced captain placed Sydney virtually alongside an enemy ship and got it blown out of the water by naval artillery and underwater torpedo tubes.
The survivors of the Kormoran were taken to the prisoner of war camp at Dwellingup south of Perth where they spent the war.
After the war many stayed on here as migrants. Hell, one of them was my business competitor. If there had been any incident like machine gunning Sydney's survivors it would have come out. Nothing like that happened.

The truth of the situation was that Australians were very sensitive about their flag ship losing a battle with a ship that wasn't even built in a warship configeration.
When I went to school the first thing I learned was about the Sydney in the first war sinking the Emden in the same area.
Australians have never gotten over the loss of the Sydney and many have tried to come up with some obscure reason for it's failure.

See the post on HMAS Sydmey in the Australian section.

herakles
14-01-2008, 23:50
I can't agree Sailor. There is a strong theory that she was torpedoed by a Jap sub.

I suggest you read that thread I put above. It's very detailed.

Certainly she was badly damaged because the two ships were very close.

Finding the wreck is really the only way to know.

The Sailor
15-01-2008, 01:09
Well Herk, if they ever do find the wreck and are able to dive on it and take a look and they will find holes made by torpedos in her hull, it won't prove anything as torpedos were fired from Kormoran anyway.

Jackaroo
06-10-2010, 11:14
Well now that the SYDNEY has been found we now have the truth.