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The Sailor
02-01-2008, 21:33
Gunter Prien and U-47

In October, 1939, only a month after war had been declared, an assault on Scapa Flow was planned using the U-Boat U-47, commanded by Lieutenant Günther Prien. On the night of October 13th, the U-Boat managed to pass between the Orkney Mainland and Lamb Holm into Scapa Flow, between two northerly blockships. Just after midnight HMS Royal Oak was sighted in Scapa Bay. Torpedoes were fired, and a hole 30 feet in diameter was made in the hull, and she capsized. Of the crew of 1400 men, 833 lost their lives.


Gunter Prien was the best known of all U Boat captains. He carried out ten patrols and was later lost in U 47, but not before he had sunk 28 allied ships of 160,000 grt. He was feted a hero in Germany after the daring raid on Scapa Flow.

Günther Prien was killed when U-47 was lost with all hands (45 men) on 7 or 8 March, 1941.
This incident is now being questioned, as the traditional credit for U-47's sinking has always been attributed to the British destroyer HMS Wolverine, but new data suggests that the destroyer was actually attacking Eckermann's UA which had to withdraw from the battle with heavy damage.

It is now speculated that U-47 was hit by one of her own circling torpedoes.


Following this event, Scapa Flow became heavily defended with anti-aircraft batteries, minefields and further blockships. In 1940, Winston Churchill gave orders that the defences on the eastern side of Scapa Flow were to be improved by setting concrete blocks between islands to make causeways. These four causeways are known as the Churchill Barriers.

Italian POWs were used to build the barriers. They were unhappy, declaring this to be war work, and thus against the Geneva Convention

Prien gives a salute at the homecoming reception after torpedoing Royal Oak

herakles
06-01-2008, 23:02
It certainly was a most daring thing to do, well carried out and regrettably very successful.

It reminds me of a similar incident in WW2 when a group of Italian frogmen successfully caused much damage at Suda Bay in Crete.

To be taken out by your own torpedo! A theme used by Clancy I recall in his "Hunt for Red October" book. I wonder how often this happened?

The Sailor
12-01-2008, 00:58
Even more radicle Herk, is when jet fighter planes have exceded the speed of their own bullets and shot themselves down.
It's just about all been done hasn't it mate?

AlZictorini
12-01-2008, 08:30
Did You Know?

The remains of a Torpedo running gear (propeller and drive shaft) was found some years ago by divers on the seabed next to the wreck of the Royal Oak. It’s now on display in the museum at Scapa Flow. What a hallowing thing to find!

Harley
12-01-2008, 23:50
It reminds me of a similar incident in WW2 when a group of Italian frogmen successfully caused much damage at Suda Bay in Crete.

The worst case being when the Italians mined VALIANT and QUEEN ELIZABETH in Alexandria Harbour - now THAT was daring (if I recall correctly the Flag Officer concerned stuck a couple of captured divers in the hold to try and sweat the truth out of them, but it was too late). ROYAL OAK, while of some value was nowhere near as useful as the two most modern British BBs aside from the KGVs would have been. (both were modernising when war was declared and had a decent LA/HA armament compared to WARSPITE)

Harley

herakles
13-01-2008, 00:04
that certainly was the worst case Harley.

I have posted a thread on the attack at Suda Bay here. See HMS York.

Major D
23-12-2010, 02:55
To be taken out by your own torpedo! A theme used by Clancy I recall in his "Hunt for Red October" book. I wonder how often this happened?

This subject was well discussed on the yahoo groups forum Italianisti which was discussing British subs that were lost in the Med. The discussion ended with a list of subs known to have died at their own hand.

Old Salt
23-12-2010, 07:16
There was speculation by some that Prien did not enter Scap Flow or sink Royal Oak. They said his account did not match the events as the British saw them.

Some years ago I read a fascinating book in which the author investigated the incident, talking to many people, including Prien's widow. A thorough investigation and excellent report. Does anyone remember the title or author ??

Prien submitted an accurate account of the events but the version released by the Propaganda Ministry grossly exagerrated them to make Germany seem greater and ridiculed Britain. His widow stated that Prien was furious to find this out the night before he left for his next (and last) patrol.

He also spoke to the divers who recovered the torpedo propeller found under the wreck and the torpedo expert who confirmed it was German.


What an unfortunate event for the RN, but one cannot help respect Prien for the daring way he entered and left the Flow. A feat of great seamanship.

KapitanPrien
23-12-2010, 14:44
Would it happen to be 'Nightmare at Scapa Flow'?

In my U-Boat site I have mentioned about this book because the author does some really nice work in dealing with the situation regarding the ghostwritten book 'Mein Weg Nach Scapa Flow':

http://priens-u-boat-site.webs.com/regardingmeinweg.htm

Old Salt
23-12-2010, 17:33
Thank you for that link Kapitan, a most excellent site I will read completely later.

I think this was the book I read, he certainly quoted from the German account and followed up with his investigatiion. I remember he had interviewed Prien's wife and a member of the crew of U 47.

I grew a particular respect for Gunther Prien, a fine seaman and a decent man. He was indeed an enemy the British had every reason to fear.

Brian

KapitanPrien
23-12-2010, 18:10
You're Welcome :)

That's the only one I can recall that dealt with the interview with Ingeborg. I knew there were several that I read (Phantom of Scapa Flow and the Royal Oak Disaster being the other two).

Thanks for the compliments on my site. :) I work on it as I find something 'off beat'. Try to make public stuff that's really not 'out there'.

By the way - you take care down there (I now know why you have mentioned the 'earthquake capital' in your signature as I had seen on another forum some photos of the place).