What is this Mans Rank?

[Jervis Bay]

This is a WW2 sailor, as of yet unidentified. Rank is a weak area for me. Any suggestions as to rank-trade? Thanks.

[qprdave]

His Rate was a Chief Petty Officer. Because of his trade, he would be a Chief Yeoman of signals

He would be responsible for the Tactical side of signalling i.e Flags and pennants that were raised up the yardarm, Semaphore signalling (Signalling. using two hand flags) and Signal lamps (Using Morse Code).

If there is anything to add (or remove). It will be done by our ex-signallers in the morning when they get up

Dave

[harry.gibbon]

As Qprdave has indicated;

By all appearances this photograph depicts a Chief Yeoman of Signals. Whether he be Royal Navy or a Commonwealth Navy escapes me at the moment ... why? because of the cap badge! ... not sure about the crown and the laurels don't seem to be full enough and closely encompass the anchor.

But then again it might just be my eye(s) deceiving me.

Little h

[INVINCIBLE]

As Qprdave has indicated;

By all appearances this photograph depicts a Chief Yeoman of Signals. Whether he be Royal Navy or a Commonwealth Navy escapes me at the moment ... why? because of the cap badge! ... not sure about the crown and the laurels don't seem to be full enough and closely encompass the anchor.

But then again it might just be my eye(s) deceiving me.

Little h

Harry,

I entirely agree - the cap badge looks slightly odd to me, but then I only had thirty years experience in the Service. On the other hand looking at a WW II picture and a more recent one they look very similar.

[harry.gibbon]

INVINCIBLE,

I think we are on the right trail ... it's as though the cap badge being worn has the anchor depicted in your set of examples on the right (gold) whilst having the laurel leaves depicted on the the example on the left set (black & white)! 30 years is nearly twice the time I did so at least you got a pension:)

Little h

[Fairlead]

Without doubt a Chief Yeoman of Signals - the cap badge is that of a CPO and they did vary depending on where they were made (Malta - India - Ireland) and if you were issued it or bought it from slops or a Naval Tailor.

Gordon 54 (With 40 years in!)

[davep]

totally agree with fairlead, only got 19yrs in so far and my cap badge definately looks like the coloured one with the laural leaves close in

[INVINCIBLE]

INVINCIBLE,

I think we are on the right trail ... it's as though the cap badge being worn has the anchor depicted in your set of examples on the right (gold) whilst having the laurel leaves depicted on the the example on the left set (black & white)! 30 years is nearly twice the time I did so at least you got a pension:)

Little h

Harry,

Probably not appropriate to this thread, though I am not sure whether there is a thread on "Pay, Pensions and Conditions of Service" but I would hope that at least you qualified for a preserved pension for your years of loyal service to Crown & Country - an injustice if you did not !! I think the introduction of the "Military Salary" for the British Armed Forces and the huge 32% increase in pay under Margaret Thatcher in 1979 put right a lot of the injustices in the pay and pensions of the Forces. I must search the forum for pay and pension threads, although as this is an international forum concerning many different naval forces there may not be one.

[harry.gibbon]

Looks like thats it then ... sorted ... we can all sit back on our 'laurels':) and appear to be thoroughly 'anchor':)faced.

PS mine was as issued - I think!

Little h

[steve roberts]

Hi Little h.Did they issue them in your days? All I got on promotion both to Petty Officer and then Chief was a £70 uniform grant above and beyond Kit Upkeep Allowance.Which was a pittance anyway!!!:rolleyes:...Many Regards Steve.

[harry.gibbon]

Hey up Steve, in my day indeed:rolleyes:

Yep I was at GCHQ and collected first issue buttons and badges from slop stores in Corsham. KUA went towards the clothing items.

Little h

[Jervis Bay]

Thanks everyone for the CPO Chief Yeoman of Signals... His nicname was Pony, and he served aboard HMS Jervis Bay, and was one of the casualties. It should be easy for me to pick him out of the casualty list.

[Jervis Bay]

The Chief Yeoman of Signals aboard HMS Jervis Bay was Dennis Moore of Portsmouth. I have photos of most of the crew - his was one missing. Thanks again.

[harry.gibbon]

Harry,

Probably not appropriate to this thread, though I am not sure whether there is a thread on "Pay, Pensions and Conditions of Service" but I would hope that at least you qualified for a preserved pension for your years of loyal service to Crown & Country - an injustice if you did not !! I think the introduction of the "Military Salary" for the British Armed Forces and the huge 32% increase in pay under Margaret Thatcher in 1979 put right a lot of the injustices in the pay and pensions of the Forces. I must search the forum for pay and pension threads, although as this is an international forum concerning many different naval forces there may not be one.

NOPE; 1949 - 1975 we got nothing for less than 22 years. My service 58-74 so one left with a 'small' gratuity. I for one could not be blackmailed into 22 years by the assisted house purchase scheme, so off I went. Little h

[INVINCIBLE]

NOPE; 1949 - 1975 we got nothing for less than 22 years. My service 58-74 so one left with a 'small' gratuity. I for one could not be blackmailed into 22 years by the assisted house purchase scheme, so off I went. Little h

Harry,

It is a disgrace that you did not receive a deferred pension for your service. Everybody serving now earns at least a deferred pension however few years they do. Those leaving after "22" at say age 40 receive an immediate pension for life! I have not found a thread on this forum on "Pay, Pensions and Conditions of Service". As regards the assisted house purchase scheme I can well understand your decision to "come ashore" and not get hooked in. An unknown consequence of the assisted house purchase scheme was that those who did buy at that time found years later that because of mega house price inflation they were sitting on quite a valuable asset. I think the gratuity was intended to enable those retiring to buy a cottage or at least be a substantial deposit for house purchase - could you possibly have bought a house with your "small gratuity". I remmember many years later when serving in Fleet HQ at Northwood an RAF Squadron Leader coming up to retirement. Armed with details of his gratuity he went to look at house prices, always having lived in RAF MQs. When he saw the price of houses in the local area he nearly had a heart attack. When I got married my "DO" told me to go and buy a house - best piece of advice anybody ever gave me.

[qprdave]

Harry

I think that you must have fallen through the cracks as far as your pension is concerned

I left in '78 after 12 yrs (9 man's time) and I will get one when I'm 65.

I should send them a little note asking what went wrong

Dave

[INVINCIBLE]

Harry

I think that you must have fallen through the cracks as far as your pension is concerned

I left in '78 after 12 yrs (9 man's time) and I will get one when I'm 65.

I should send them a little note asking what went wrong

Dave

Harry,

I entirely agree - a note to the "Pay and Pensions" Division with your official number would be well worth a try. I would be very interested to hear what excuse is used if you are denied a pension for your service.

[JackW1208]

When the new pension scheme came in (April 75) I qualified for a preseved pension, index linked, to be drawn, upon application, at the age of 60.
My service time was 65 - 75 (December) so I dipped in.
I drew my pension in 2008, and although smallish, it helps me along the way.
The lump sum was a godsend, finnished paying off my mortgage with it.
Sorry if I've upset anyone who left prior to April 75.

Jack.

[JackW1208]

Further to my last post, this is the link for pensions
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/CorporatePublications/PersonnelPublications/Pensions/AFPS75/Afps75YourPensionSchemeExplained.htm

Jack.

[TACKLINE]

He certainly is a Chief Yeoman. A v/s2. v/s1's would also have a star underneath. Commonwealth countries have the same badges as the RN. At least the did when that photograph was taken. Have'nt a clue about present day badges.

[harry.gibbon]

Thanks folks for all your 'contributions';) regarding pensions. I shall investigate as you suggest, however there are others on my branch forum 'Squirrelshack' already in the fray with the subject, they having the same leaving year as myself.... and so far its a 'no go' to even be considered for inclusion into the scheme.

Little h

[Jervis Bay]

hi all, again thanks to all who identifieid his rank which lead to his identification as Dennis Moore. I just received about 8 letters from him to his "girl in the port". Each letter is between 4-8 pages long, between Sept.-Oct. 1940. They provide great details on life about HMS Jervis Bay. The best war time find I've found so far about this ship. Oh yes, the best thing - while all are signed Pony, there is one signed Pony (Dennis) . great confirmation of name.

[qprdave]

Thanks for your follow up. It is always good when someone finds the time to let us know any results after requesting information on this Forum

Thanks again

Dave

[whalerman]

Regarding the badges in post #4. The ones on the left have the Kings Crown used when a King is on the throne, on the right the Queens crown, post 1953 when the present Queen was crowned. My mother remembers having to unpick and resew all my Dads P.O. and (Gunners Armourer) badges on to all his kit about 1954ish.
This goes for all Government Services who have a crown on their badges. So when Charlie takes over from Liz the badges should revert back to a Kings crown.

[INVINCIBLE]

Regarding the badges in post #4. The ones on the left have the Kings Crown used when a King is on the throne, on the right the Queens crown, post 1953 when the present Queen was crowned. My mother remembers having to unpick and resew all my Dads P.O. and (Gunners Armourer) badges on to all his kit about 1954ish.
This goes for all Government Services who have a crown on their badges. So when Charlie takes over from Liz the badges should revert back to a Kings crown.

Not least all the cap badges and also of course all the metal badges (beret badges etc) and also all the buttons too!. I believe all the wire badges are made in India and take a long time to arrive in the UK. Might depend on how much notice of the change we receive.

[gfed]

Regarding the badges in post #4. The ones on the left have the Kings Crown used when a King is on the throne, on the right the Queens crown, post 1953 when the present Queen was crowned. My mother remembers having to unpick and resew all my Dads P.O. and (Gunners Armourer) badges on to all his kit about 1954ish.
This goes for all Government Services who have a crown on their badges. So when Charlie takes over from Liz the badges should revert back to a Kings crown.That's a common misconception. There is really no such thing as a Queen's crown or a King's crown. When the Queen acceded to the throne, it was a personal decision to use the St Edward's crown as opposed to the previously used Tudor crown. This wouldn't necessarily be changed when the Prince of Wales accedes to the throne.

[stontamar]

[QUOTE=Jervis Bay;109613]hi all, again thanks to all who identifieid his rank which lead to his identification as Dennis Moore.

I am sure Jervis Bay is aware of the following but for other members the following may be of interest.

Chief Yeoman of Signals Dennis Moore C/J30780 age 41 son of William and Mary Moore; husband of Edith Anne Moore, of Copnor, Portsmouth, Hampshire killed on 5 November 1940 whilst serving on HMS JERVIS BAY.

Regards

stontamar

[Jervis Bay]

hello stontamar...thanks for this piece about Denis. Since I received his photos, I now have about 12 original letters from him to his girlfriend here in Saint John and Halifax, as well as some negatives and original prints. There will be an exhibit about TSS/HMS Jervis Bay in Saint John from 5 Nov. 2010 until 12 Jan. 2011.