BRAZIL Moves Forward?

[designeraccd]

Brazil to build five submarines with French help
August 24th, 2009

Sao Paulo, Aug 24 (EFE) Brazil will build five submarines in collaboration with France to protect its vast off shore oil reserves in the Amazon region, a media report said Sunday.
The Folha de Sao Paulo newspaper said President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has already approved the submarine project prepared by the defence ministry.

Brazil will also build a nuclear submarine as part of the project, it said.

The ministry also plans to set up of a joint general staff comprising personnel from the army, navy and the air force to protect the region. The proposal, which is already cleared by the president, will now be submitted to the Congress.

The government has invested nearly $30 billion to boost its defence industry.


weapons sales 1-o-1........DFO:eek:

[CGRET]

It sounds maybe a good thing for Brazil. But the nuclear submarine, unsure for the reason for that. It could very be regional or part of the stratagic agreements. It may very well died in the congress, a wait and see approach maybe the best course on this newest event.

Regards
Charles

[stonewall71]

The project of the SNB (Submarino Nuclear Brasileiro) (Brazilian Nuclear Submarine) is being discussed this moment in the Brazilian Senate

[stonewall71]

It sounds maybe a good thing for Brazil. But the nuclear submarine, unsure for the reason for that. It could very be regional or part of the stratagic agreements. It may very well died in the congress, a wait and see approach maybe the best course on this newest event.

Regards
Charles

protection of the vast oil fields ("pré-sal") recently found, for a start.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9180/maquetesubmarinonuclear.jpg

[stonewall71]

Brazil will build a nuclear sub in 2016

original in portuguese from
http://congressoemfoco.ig.com.br/noticia.asp?cod_canal=1&cod_publicacao=29509

Auto-translation from google:

27/08/2009 - 14:15

Brazil build nuclear submarine in 2016 Franco-Brazilian

Renata Camargo

Defense Minister Nelson Jobim announced on Thursday (27) that Brazil will begin construction in 2016 the first nuclear-powered submarine of the country with French and Brazilian technology. In a public hearing on the Foreign Relations Committee of the Senate, to discuss the need to re-equip the armed forces, Defense Minister said that by 2021 Brazil will have four conventional submarines and a nuclear power.

"With the submarine deterrent enter the club of countries that have the ability to design, build and operate nuclear submarine. But we will not have nuclear missiles, because we are not a country of imperialist intentions. We are a country's intention to protect our wealth, "argued Jobim.

On September 7, President Lula and French President Nicolas Sarcozy, symbolically sign the agreement for the construction of submarines. Minister Jobim justifies the choice of France as a partner was due to the fact that it is the only nation to have offered a partnership in technology transfer to Brazil.

"Russia, Britain, the United States and India, no one accepted transfer technology. Only France has accepted. With this agreement, we have radical technology investments and involvement of domestic companies. We are buyers of the shelf. Brazil is a partner, "he explained.

President Lula sent yesterday (26) to the Senate request for a credit facility for investment for the construction of submarines. The Senate must pass the equivalent of 598.2 million euros in credits, which corresponds to the part that the Brazilian government will invest in the program. According to Jobim, France will invest 4.3 billion euros for the construction of submarines. In total, the project will cost 6.69 billion euros.

Partnership

For the construction of the nuclear submarine, France would transfer technology not only nuclear. The engines will be built plants in Brazil because the country already has this technology. Besides the nuclear submarine, which has advantages of mobility and displacement, Brazil will build on the agreement with France four conventional submarines.

The submarines have a diesel propulsion with energy stored in batteries. The speed is 4 to 6 knots (7.4 to 11.2 km / h). Besides being considered shallow water, to attain the depth of 50 to 500, they need to surface every 12 hours. These submarines are beginning to be built in 2011.

As shown Jobim, nuclear submarines are capable of displacement and submergence far superior to conventional submarines. By having nuclear propulsion, powered by nuclear reactors, these submarines are capable of more than 100 and 6-speed 35 knots (11.2 to 65.5 km / h). The immersion of submarine is indefinite, it does not need to submerge check.

In 1983, Brazil signed an agreement with Germany to build submarines. The agreement, however, did not provide for transfer of technology and construction of the submarines had the participation of Brazilian technicians. "There was no transfer of technological knowledge. The submarines were built only by Germans and adjustments are also made by German technicians. Not learn to build submarines, "explained Jobim.

Besides the construction of submarines, the defense strategy of the Navy includes the creation of coastal defense battalions, the base building and yard for submarines in Itajai (RJ), the Amazon project Segura, to ensure the safety of water resources in the Amazon, and increment of satellite monitoring of constitutional areas, including marine areas and basements Brazilian maritime jurisdiction.

[astraltrader]

Trust the French to put their exports before all else!

[mik43]

Why not, everyone else does - except us!! Our lot get all steamed up with selling any arms. Smashing model though!

Mik

[derek s.langsdon]

Facts from-Agence France Presse/DefenseNews Nov.30th 2011.( re-written by-dsl ).

Back in 2008 one of our contributors mentioned that The Brazilian Defense
Ministry was talking about a need for $30 billion to up-date their armed forces.
This week the figure mentioned by some is $117 billion (by 2030),-mostly for the Navy.

The Defence Minister himself thinks this is an unaffordable pipe dream
but all are agreed that the fleet's age and size are of concern and in need of an urgent boost.

An earlier thread detailed current and planned strength which includes the former French Carrier "Foch" nine British frigates and five diesel-electric coastal submarines,but many are the voices shouting for nuclear subs---and they don't come cheap !!

Brazil still has the biggest Navy in the area but it needs sufficient shipping to patrol and protect lucrative offshore deep oil fields,and the Amazon.
basin with a 4,655 mile shoreline. They are also seeking to broaden their Naval presence generally in the South Atlantic.

derek-L

[jainso31]

Where better to look for "good used" naval stock than the America in the North; to provide stopgaps until a sensible plan is formulated; and the national finances sorted out.

jainso31

[BlackBat242]

Except that we won't sell our used nuclear-powered subs to anyone, and we have no used non-nuc subs.

Also, all the warships (escept for amphibs) we are decommissioning that Brazil might be interested in are being sunk as targets... they simply don't want want FFG-07 class ships.

[CGRET]

Also another project for Brasil's Navy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPJQcHVuRAU&feature=related


A new carrier in works?

Regards
Charles

[BlackBat242]

My Portugese is almost non-existent (mainly interpolation from my meager Spanish), but I cought the phrases "over the next 20 years" and "possible replacement for A-12 Sao Paulo".

In other words, this is an artist's conception of what a future Brazilian carrier might look like some 20 years down the road.

It is important to remember that Brazil has had an official goal of building its own carriers since 1980... and has gotten no further than the wasting of a bunch of trees in the form of paper proposals.

The only realistic difference now is that fewer trees are being killed... but many electrons are being inconvenienced.

[ASSAIL]

Brazil has the worlds 5th largest population and is the 6th largest global economy recently taking this position from the UK)
Brazil states that its long term plan is to keep on raising defence spending from the current 1.5% GDP to 2% by 2030.
Brazil's nominal GDP in 2010 was est. to be US$2.181 trillion. This means annual defence spend could be as high as US$35billion.
It is an emerging econimic and technical giant!
Brazil's future naval expansion will be interesting to watch
Cheers