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designeraccd
05-08-2009, 06:56
The Bear Comes Calling Off the East Coast
Reuters is reporting that a pair of Russian nuclear attack submarines have been monitored operating off the east coast. I personally find this development very interesting for a number of reasons, beginning with the fact that someone considered this newsworthy. While the operation of the submarines off the East Coast is the catchy headline, this is the part that has me thinking about the news report.


The U.S. Navy was able to track the submarines as they made their way through international waters off the American coastline, the official told the newspaper.

"We've known where they were, and we're not concerned about our ability to track the subs," the official added. "We're concerned just because they are there."

One of the Russian submarines remained in international waters on Tuesday about 200 miles off the coast of the United States and the second sub made a port call in Cuba in recent days, the newspaper said, citing Defense Department officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Very interesting. "200 miles off the coast of the United States" suggests the Russians decided to remain outside the Economic Exclusion Zone, a conscious decision.

Why are we revealing that we can track the Russian submarines, do we do ourselves any favors by revealing our capabilities?

But here is the key. As other nations continue to develop naval capabilities we need to recognize that the operation of submarines off the US coast is going to become more common, not less. Indeed, what is the first thing China will do when tensions at sea rise over Taiwan or some other matter? Most likely, the deployment of submarines off the coast of Guam, Sasebo, Pearl Harbor, and if the PLA Navy has any strategic thinking at all, San Diego.

But this is what the US Navy needs to think about... the submarines off Guam, Sasebo, and Pearl Harbor can be Yuan class, because Yuan's appear to have much better endurance for submerged operations than Song class submarines do, but for west coast operations it will be nuclear submarines. For Russia, it will always be nuclear submarines off the East Coast, because the conventional submarines make more sense for operations off Europe.

Just a few things to think about. In general, I do not see this news report alarming except that someone thought it was a good idea to brag about detection. That really makes us look stupid if by chance Russia has a third nuke boat out there. Saying nothing is smarter than saying something, particularly because the only good reason anyone can ever make for a conventional submarine for the US Navy is to suggest we need to increase coastal defense submarine capacity off our own shores... something this news report does not suggest as a real need right now.

Anyone want to guess what class of Russian submarines are operating off the East coast? My guess would be both are Akula class

designeraccd
05-08-2009, 07:00
And a second report.............

Two Russian subs seen patrolling off US coast
Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:48:38 GMT
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The two subs, classified as Akula Class nuclear-powered attack submarines, were first deployed by the Soviet Navy in 1986.
Two Russian nuclear attack submarines have been patrolling off the eastern coast of the United States in a rare move that has alarmed the Pentagon.

One of the two submarines has remained in international waters just 200 miles (320 kilometers) off the coast of New York City, while the second sub left and moved south to make a port call in Cuba, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

The US government and the military have so far refused to comment on the report.

However, the newspaper, citing Defense Department officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, revealed that Washington is suspicious of Russia's motives behind such an unusual mission.

"Any time the Russian Navy does something so out of the ordinary it is cause for worry," a senior Defense Department official who has been monitoring reports on the submarines' activities said.

The Pentagon, meanwhile, expressed concern about the presence of the subs, but shrugged off the move as Russia just trying to 'show off'.

Defense Department officials declined to speculate on what weapons might be aboard the two submarines, classified as Akula Class nuclear-powered attack submarines, first deployed by the Soviet Navy in 1986.

diddyriddick
05-08-2009, 13:55
Anyone want to guess what class of Russian submarines are operating off the East coast? My guess would be both are Akula class

Would you put anything less than your best of your potential adversary's coast? I'd say Akulas also.

Doh! Never mind.

designeraccd
06-08-2009, 00:04
but now this................


Russian Navy facing 'irreversible collapse'
Reuben F Johnson JDW Correspondent
Kiev

Key Points
A drought of orders since the 1990s has left the Russian naval shipbuilding industry in a state of near collapse, according to a recent report

The Navy's commander-in-chief has said he would not exclude the possibility of buying naval vessels from abroad

The Russian Navy is currently on the verge of 'irreversible collapse', according to a recent analysis published by the authoritative Moscow-based weekly - the Independent Military Review .

The report, entitled 'BMF RF [Naval Military Fleet of the Russian Federation] on Foreign Warships', says the main cause for the 'collapse' is the state of the Russian shipbuilding industry, which is "incapable of producing warships in either the quantity or at the level of quality that their navy customer requires" for the future.

According to the analysis, the navy's leadership "understands that this is a hopeless situation and are looking for a way out by considering the purchase of naval vessels from abroad".

The issue was raised during the International Military Naval Exposition (MVMS) that took place in the last week of June in St Petersburg.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, outlined the problem when he said: "Our [challenge] is how to significantly improve the condition of our fleet without destroying the economic activity in the country. I also consider the idea of spending billions to repair and upgrade our old ships to be meaningless because they have only 10 years of service left in them. The new ships we would need, it is estimated, must be in service for a minimum of 40-50 years."

When asked if this meant the Russian Navy would consider purchasing naval vessels from abroad, Adm Vystosky replied: "I will tell you plainly that we do not exclude that possibility."

According to Russian industry sources, navy officials held talks with both France's Direction des Constructions Navales Services (DCNS), which was exhibiting at the Russian naval expo for the first time, and European systems house Thales. Russia's naval leadership is attempting to negotiate a set of co-operative arrangements that would have the navy engaged in:

- the joint production of a variant of the Mistral and Tonnerre BPC (Bātiment de Projection et de Commandement) ships equipped with a heavy helicopter flight deck and potentially a hovercraft dock for rapid amphibious assault operations;

- a Franco-Russian project to design and build a series of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers for both countries' navies. it has not been decided if these ships could be constructed to be fitted with either ski-ramp take-off decks required to operate the Russian Navy's Sukhoi Su-33s or the catapult launcher required by France's Dassault Rafale M.
The Russian Navy is also reportedly looking to procure some types of submarine from Germany.

Russia's shipbuilding industry suffered more than other segments of the defence industry during a drought of orders since the 1990s. Additionally, the only shipyards that were capable of building an aircraft carrier during Soviet times are located in Ukraine, with which Moscow has had strained relations for the past several years.

Shades of the 1880s to early 1900s! DFO :eek: