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designeraccd
16-04-2009, 23:42
from a Naval Blog..........

Thursday, April 16, 2009
Russia Deploys the Black Sea Fleet
Russia has sent an official notification to NATO’s general secretary, Hoop Scheffer, proposing that "all upcoming military exercises planned in Georgia should be postponed or canceled.”

On any other day of the year, I would read news article discussing a disagreement between NATO and Russia regarding Black Sea naval activity and dismiss it, but this isn't an average day. Earlier this week, as per the agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, Russian officials notified the Ukraine that 22 of its Black Sea Fleet vessels will leave Sevastopol for military maneuvers. Those ships were expected to depart earlier this week, but it was noteworthy when all of the amphibious ships deployed first rather than all of the ships at once.

The Black Sea Fleet has now deployed all 22 ships, which is getting some attention in the region because regional news reports have noted the Russian military exercises taking place in the Caucasus since the political turmoil and protests began last week in Georgia. There has been a lot of discussion over the past several days, mostly unverified hearsay and internet chatter, of movement of Russian troops towards the Russian-Georgian border and into Abkhazia as part of those exercises. Those rumors were confirmed today when an EU monitor told Reuters "it had registered Russian reinforcements at the boundaries between Georgian-controlled territory and South Ossetia and Abkhazia."


A confidential assessment compiled by EU diplomats in Georgia and seen by Reuters said the Russian reinforcements included tanks, armoured personnel carriers, artillery and "Grad" multiple-rocket launchers.

"Thus the situation at the ABL (administrative boundary line) remains in flux and volatile as Russian/South Ossetian forces continue to establish new facts on the ground," said the the assessment, dated April 13.

This afternoon, the Eurasia Daily Monitor also noted the chatter in the region, and weighed in on the unfolding events.

It is important that the Russian military acknowledges its mobilization and forward deployment of troops and ships. At present, it is impossible to know precisely how many additional army units have been moved within striking distance of Georgian territory. However, the composition of the naval force that disembarked from Sevastopol is not secret, since the Ukrainian authorities must be informed. It seems to be larger than the force that was deployed against Georgia last August. Four large amphibious landing craft left Sevastopol last week, while in August 2008 only two were reportedly deployed to insert a regiment of marines into Abkhazia in the small port of Ochamchira, close to the border with Georgia (Vlast, August 18). The marines were later deployed in the invasion of Western Georgia.
The report goes on to note:

After the war, Georgia disbanded its navy, handing over its surviving ships to the local coast guard. The Russian naval flotilla lead by "Moskva" will not find any opposition at sea, but the deployment of a large amphibious force formed of thousands of marines armed with heavy weapons on board is a threatening sight. The low capacity narrow roads leading from Russia into Georgia (one into Abkhazia and another leading into South Ossetia) create immense logistical problems in rapidly deploying large military contingents into Georgia if Moscow opts for a "humanitarian intervention" to bring about "regime change." The insertion of a sizable marine force with heavy weapons was used last August to bypass the clogged up overland routes and this could prove important again. The Russian military knew beforehand the exact timing of its pre-arranged invasion and fully controlled the pre-war armed provocations by the South Ossetian forces, whereas in the present crisis the situation is much more volatile.
The Jamestown Foundation's Pavel Felgenhauer has a fantastic record when it comes to observing military activity in that region. Just prior to the breakout of hostilities last year, he wrote an article regarding the Russian railroad troops that had completed to connect Russia with Abkhazia. These railroads were used within 10 days of his article to supply the Russian military forces that moved into that territory, thus removing Georgian rule. Last month he noted that with spring melting the snow and ice that prohibits any military activity between Russia and Georgia, Russia's political influence into Georgia was sure to follow. He was right.

Russia's intentions are unclear. On the same day Russia tells NATO to cancel military exercises, Russia also agrees to hold a fifth round of Geneva talks involving negotiators from Georgia, Russia, United States, and the breakaway regions of Abkhazia, and South Ossetia on May 18-19.

There is widespread belief that Russia helped finance the demonstrations that began April 9th, but it is noteworthy those demonstrations have become smaller and smaller each day. After a week of demonstrations, polls indicated the public mood was shifting away from the opposition, and Saakashvili remains the most popular politician in Georgia despite the protests and well funded media campaigns against him. Many experts appear to be in agreement the calls for his resignation have failed, and this will end in negotiations. To date, the opposition has dismissed any suggestion of sitting down with Saakashvili, so it is unclear when those negotiations will happen.

Given that the Russian funded political unrest with demonstrations has failed to achieve its goals, would Russia take military action instead?

It seemed very unlikely war would break out last August on the opening day of the Olympics. Russia may not be making a move against Georgia, but this is one of the largest Black Sea Fleet exercises we have seen in a long time, and the EU is monitoring large troop movements at the border at the same time, so even without a fire there is plenty of smoke.

CGRET
17-04-2009, 00:32
It sound's like thing's are going to heat again in that region. Cancelling an exercise and then massing troop's on the border, all sound's like another invasion.

Regards
Charles

designeraccd
17-04-2009, 01:00
No...how could one POSSIBLY think that????? DFO :rolleyes::rolleyes:;)

Blaydon
17-04-2009, 13:55
This type of land grab situation is so transparent, when are we going to say to the new russians "that is enough if you try to annex parts of your neigbours we will stop you"

designeraccd
17-04-2009, 20:33
It will be...uhh..."interesting" to see the "West's" reaction if things go south...again............DFO :rolleyes::eek:

designeraccd
17-04-2009, 21:26
a bit more from another Blog...........

Russia Seeks to Oust Georgia President
2009 April 17
by Mike Burleson
I’ve been a little distracted by all the piracy to notice ongoing protests seeking to get rid of Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili. When I did notice it, my first thoughts were “Russia is behind this”. My friend Galrahn is of the same opinion:

There is widespread belief that Russia helped finance the demonstrations that began April 9th, but it is noteworthy those demonstrations have become smaller and smaller each day. After a week of demonstrations, polls indicated the public mood was shifting away from the opposition, and Saakashvili remains the most popular politician in Georgia despite the protests and well funded media campaigns against him. Many experts appear to be in agreement the calls for his resignation have failed, and this will end in negotiations. To date, the opposition has dismissed any suggestion of sitting down with Saakashvili, so it is unclear when those negotiations will happen.

Given that the Russian funded political unrest with demonstrations has failed to achieve its goals, would Russia take military action instead?

The bullies of the world are back. We see then Russia deploying its forces, apparently for a second round at restoring its old empire and the dominance of weak but strategically important Georgia. Unable to get its means through guile its resorts to force.

Sadly, this is ongoing in many countries, within even our current administration seeking to demonize its critics rather than trying to reason with many Americans who disagree with their policies. Call them conservative right-wing extremists if you want, but when you start maligning the troops who daily put their lives on the line for our much-abused freedoms, this is too far. It certainly does little for national unity, which we need so much in times such as these.

designeraccd
21-04-2009, 17:54
Update..........

Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Russian Army Repositions 25 Miles from T'bilisi
From the AP.


Russia has stationed its forces just 25 miles (40 kilometers) from the Georgian capital, in violation of the EU-brokered cease-fire that ended last year's brief war. And in recent weeks, it has sent even more troops and armored vehicles to within striking distance of the city ahead of street protests against Georgia's president.
Just in case you missed it, the Black Sea Fleet deployed 22 ships last week, including 3-4 amphibious ships with Marines.Other news is reporting the protests against the Georgian President were 10,000 strong on Tuesday. With tomorrow being a big day for China, one wonders if Russia will invade Georgia. After all, they did it last time there was a big day in China, the opening day of the Olympics.

From where the Russian Army is, it is a 40 minute drive to the Georgian capitol. See previous analysis here.

I have no idea if Russia will actually do it, but I don't see anyone stepping in to stop them if they do.

CGRET
29-04-2009, 02:45
My question is what is the rest of the other nations in the region doing? Have they filed a protest? I know the UN can be useless at times! Maybe it's time they stepped up to plate and did something.

Regards
Charles

mik43
30-04-2009, 17:07
The Russians are obviously trying to restore their power base once again and seeing what they can get away with before someone with clout really shouts. Regretably that leaves the UN out. I have already seen reports in the media that various anti US countries consider that President Obama is weak, based on what he has/hasn't done in his first 100 days. The saying that the President 'can talk the talk but can he walk the walk' is taking on new significance as those people think he can only do the former. That is not good news!

Mik