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Stan.J
26-03-2009, 19:33
I am reading at present "Passchendaele" The sacrificial ground... by Nigel Steel and Peter Hart.
The following report by Captain Arthur Glanville.2nd Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers:-." Aug.16..Attack at dawn -- given away by Sergeant Phillips. Boche puts up terrible barrage before zero as we are moving into position."

The enigmatic reference to Sergeant Phillips was occasioned by the belief that spread throughout the army that treachery had given the Germans advanced warning of the attack.

Quote:- I was shown a report captured from a German digout in the front line which had been translated and circulated by our GHQ. The night before, (Aug 15th) a Sergeant of the Welsh Fusiliers who had been employed as a clerk at GHQ and had been returned to the front line for disciplinary purposes, had treacherously deserted to the enemy taking with him not only information of tomorrows attack, but also a copy of a map on which was indicated the position of every battery on that section of the British front."...G,.E.Mackenzie 153rd Brigade, Royal Horse artillery.

In these circumstance the Irish had little chance of success, and they made a pitiably weak site as the thin lines struggled forward lashed by machine-gun bullets and scything fragments of shell.

I wonder how true this was?? It sounds plausible in regard to the Germans guns earmarking with uncanny effect the sites of the British heavy guns.

Passchendaele, or the third battle of Ypres..was a killing ground ...
My Wifes Uncle died of his wounds there..Many families would have been shocked if they had thought that a traitor had led to these brave mens deaths....So unnecessary...
Any thoughts or ideas? was it true? I don`t know???

jainso31
26-11-2010, 09:57
I have a book called "Passchendaele-A day by day Account" in which it does confirm that the 16th (S.Irish)Division,which included the 2nd Dublin Fusiliers did attack at 4.45AM on the 16th Aug.1917;there is no mention of their plan of attack having been given away. 2nd Dublins moved up at 9AM
in support and advanced unopposed to Vampir (approx.1000yds) which they held until counterattacked at 10pm.
That does not sound as if their plan of attack was given away.That day indeed, was fairly successful; it was also the first time that the two Irish Divs
16th and 36th (Ulster) attacked side by side.In my humble opinion, it was just another day in the hell that was Passchendaele (Battle of Langemarck).
The Germans were not averse to using a bit of disinformation and they may well have had a deserter -just how a SGT of the RWF could pinpoint gun positions is quite beyond me.
No-I cannot credit this report as being as anything other than doubtful.



jainso31