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[Francis Stanley]

Given that every question I have asked on this site has been extensivley answered by all you helpful shipmates, it got me wondering does it extend to other things?
So I will start the ball rolling with a general question.
If others wish to join in with questions of their own please feel free.

Why do they call orange jam marmalade?

[MartinH-K]

'Marmalade' first appeared in the English language in 1480 and is derived from the Portugese word 'marmelo' which describes a preserve made from quinces.
It is possible that the word 'marmalade' comes from the french for 'sick marie' and refers to Mary, Queen of Scots who took a quince preservation to ease her jippy tummy- mar(ie) malade. :)

[Francis Stanley]

:):) Thanks MartinH
I knew you lot wouldn't disappoint me!!

[Commodore Armiger]

Here in Sweden marmalade is used to refer to everything that we British would refer to as jam. We tend to distinguish all citrus jams (orange, lemon, grapefruit et al) as marmalade and aught else as jam, but there is no fundamental difference that I am aware of in the way they are made or used.

[Francis Stanley]

OK then,
so why do we call strawberry marmalade Jam?!!

[oldsalt]

For our American friends jam, translated,is jello in the USA.

[MartinH-K]

Actually... that would be Strawberry Preserve I think...:o

[tonclass]

Old salt. I think in the US Jam is known as Jelly & what we call Jelly is known as Jello. All very confusing :confused::D

[MartinH-K]

And what we call a rubber is an eraser and what they call a rubber...;):o:)

[CGRET]

Martin,

That is a good one. A fag in the UK is a cigarette in the US??

Regards
Charles

[astraltrader]

Dont forget that a shag in the States is a Dance whereas in the Uk it is a................................................. ..err tobacco!!

[Francis Stanley]

The term Fanny in the navy means one thing, in the UK ... er something else and your bum in US
(I think I got round that quite well!) :o

[Francis Stanley]

Martin,

That is a good one. A fag in the UK is a cigarette in the US??

Regards
Charles

Two great nations divided by a common language who said that? Churchill? who ever it was he was right!

[MartinH-K]

I was headlining at a concert in Hinton, West Virginia about three years ago. I'd run out of cigarettes and badly needed one before I went on stage. I turned to the organiser who was also a smoker and, in total innocence (and I promise this is a true story), I turned to him and said... "I've run out, can I bum a fag?" The look was priceless.:o

[John Odom]

Two nations separated by a common(?) language! There are large regional differences in usage as well.

In the US, the Dept of Agriculture defines them approximately thus:

Jam = fruit preserves with whole or large pieces of fruit and may include the seeds.

Marmalade= Jam made of Citrus, without seeds.

Jelly= Fruit preserves made with juice only, no pulp or seeds.

Sugar is added and pectin may be added.

[MartinH-K]

Okay... but what about 'matelot'? I REALLY don't know and would like to...:o

[mike mayer]

Good question that about marmalade but try it with peanut butter, now that's a strange one,having worked on a dairy farm didn't see any nuts to make butter with.Can some clear this up Peanut Butter, is that salted or dry roasted!!

[MartinH-K]

You dont't know either, do you!?:p

[mike mayer]

Martin,

That is a good one. A fag in the UK is a cigarette in the US??

Regards
Charles

Fag depended what school you went!

[MartinH-K]

A fag in the UK is a homosexual in the US...
Bumming something in the UK is borrowing it...
I'll leave the rest to your imagination.:o

[Stan.J]

"Matelot" French for Sailor

[MartinH-K]

Thanks... I checked and the translation is actually bed or bunk mate... mmmmm.

[Francis Stanley]

Which brings us back to fags!

Incidently do you get nut butter from bulls? :D

[oldsalt]

Old salt. I think in the US Jam is known as Jelly & what we call Jelly is known as Jello. All very confusing :confused::D
You are right Rik, I must have had a "WOBBLE". How about hood & trunk?

[splashg32]

Mary Queen of Scots was born in 1542. The word marmalade was recorded in a written Portuguese document 20 years earlier, thus refuting the claim it was named after the tragic Queen.

[MartinH-K]

Yes in "Comédia de Rubena" in 1521... Isn't Wiki good?:o

[splashg32]

:eek:Bloomin' cheek !!! Yes you're right Wiki is good, but not always accurate. Credit where credit is due. If you view my profile you'll see my interest is Mary Queen of Scots and my answer came from my own years of researching this fascinating woman.
Regards
Kev:)

[nigelweysom]

as we still seem to be on marmalade, i will tell you that when England imposed a sugar tax Mr Keiller came to Guernsey to make his Dundee marmalade
Nigel

[astraltrader]

You are right Rik, I must have had a "WOBBLE". How about hood & trunk?

I think you mean hood and BONNET and trunk and BOOT? :rolleyes:

[MartinH-K]

Hi Kev
I was more referring to my info than yours.:) My reading and research has taken me off in some... unusual... directions including Japanese history- hence my opinioned and passionate diatribe under Japan gets aircraft carrier et al. :D

[Blaydon]

Which Martin went down rather well.

[splashg32]

Hi Martin, Sorry I got on my high horse. Just read the piece on Japan, talk about hornets nest. Everybody is entitled to express opinion even on a sensitive subject as this, it sure created a debate worth reading.
Kev.

[MartinH-K]

The more of those, the better IMHO (In my humble opinion:o)

[Francis Stanley]

I think you mean hood and BONNET and trunk and BOOT? :rolleyes:

I will get my flashlight from my apartment to find some trash bags that are in the back of my closet, come down the elevator go out onto the sidewalk where my Automobile is parked on the paved road and pop the trunk and check for my groceries, I bought some collard greens, a rutabaga and some egg plant

[harry.gibbon]

More mixed metaphores me hearties:-

Been bumming around this thread, sat on my fanny,
so switched on the karoke looking forward to a jam,
but only got marmalade -damn;
spoke to an ex matelot, asked him for a rubber and being a right card;
he said he'd supply jelly!!!.... sensing a situation and feeling like a fag decided to settle for a roll up complete with some shag!!!


little h

[MartinH-K]

That's quite creative.:D

[Francis Stanley]

More mixed metaphores me hearties:-

Been bumming around this thread, sat on my fanny,
so switched on the karoke looking forward to a jam,
but only got marmalade -damn;
spoke to an ex matelot, asked him for a rubber and being a right card;
he said he'd supply jelly!!!.... sensing a situation and feeling like a fag decided to settle for a roll up complete with some shag!!!


little h

:D V good :D

[astraltrader]

It looks to me that you might have finished the test!!

[nigelweysom]

if we have finished the marmalade test i wonder if i can start another which carry's on the theme of Britain and America being divided by a common language , the question is this i have yet to meet an American who has been able to explain to me what grits are , do we have any takers ?
Nigel

[harry.gibbon]

Oh ok then, lets kick it off... and while gritting my teeth and using old 'Wiki' again, I see that its some kind of nosh made of corn, served hot or cold,with variations called hominy grits or yellow speckled grits.

Now the latter sound more like variations of chickens or indeed the very last one sounds like a beer!!!

Still think I prefer the Scottish breakfast of Brose!!

Little h;)

[Francis Stanley]

Oh ok then, lets kick it off... and while gritting my teeth and using old 'Wiki' again, I see that its some kind of nosh made of corn, served hot or cold,with variations called hominy grits or yellow speckled grits.

Now the latter sound more like variations of chickens or indeed the very last one sounds like a beer!!!

Still think I prefer the Scottish breakfast of Brose!!

Little h;)

It is a little like a sludge of wall paper paste -esque thing that stares at you on a plate and dares you to stick a spoon in it! Yummy!

[John Odom]

Grits are strictly southerm. Folks from the north come here and are puzzled by them. They are similar to what the northerners call corn meal mush.

Here "Yankee" means someone from the north. I was surprised to find that in most of the world any American is called a Yankee. In this part of the US, the civil war of the 1860s is still "The War," and Yankee is an insult!

[harry.gibbon]

Vis-a-vie "yankees"...

Me thinks that during my naval and civilian careers, if I had not had derogatory remarks made against my Scottish ancestry by my English colleagues, then I might have felt slighted somewhat!!!

It's almost considered a term of endearment, but does not lie well with the PC brigade.

I take it as par for the course and to think how many wars our two nations had over hundreds of years, yet I am self exiled here in England and rarely return North to speak the Doric dialect.

....and grits... well; I have looked again at the Wiki description and picture of a bowl full with butter topping... Hmmm I will leave it to the debate!!!


Little h;)

[harry.gibbon]

I was just responding to the Yankee's issue... wot's happened to the grits element of this thread?

I'm still pro Brose!!!

Little h

[Francis Stanley]

Harry
RE: Brose
What is it? is one of those things made up from the sweepings of the foreshore? ;)

[Francis Stanley]

Who said and where/

Snorkers? good oh!

[harry.gibbon]

Ahhh Brose... smashing on a bitterly cold Scottish winters' morning:-

Place rough oatmeal into a bowl, add boiling water (not too much), stir till lumpy (the way I like it), others prefer it more porridge textured; pour cold milk over same ... (spoon used to stand upright in my mixture)... add salt to taste and scoff it down!!!

Can be made with peasemeal or barley meal.

.... and can be eaten as near to or as far away from the foreshore as you wish, but it sometimes difficult to weald a !!!;)

Little h

[doug.birch]

Heres a blast from the past, I remember eating jelly & peanut butter sandwich
at the Stage door canteen in New York whilst waiting to pick up my ship in 1942. come to think of it I quite liked it. Doug. Birch.

[Vegaskip]

Re snorkers ......Stanley Baker-"Cruel Sea"

By the way if you think Brose is good you want to try Athol Brose Yummy!!!!!

[harry.gibbon]

Francis Stanley Hi,

Re Snorkers ... they are mentioned by Terry Wogan pretty much every morning on BBC Radio 2!!

...so I just wondered what Wiki' attributed the name to:- behold they got it pretty much right, also referring to "Babys' Heads" and "Herrings In" but made absolutely no mention of "s..t on a raft" :D one of my favourite dishes.

Little h

[harry.gibbon]

Ah Vegaskip;

so will it become Atholl Brose versus Birse Tea?

a favourite throughout my Royal Deeside stomping ground as a 'younger man'

Little h

[Vegaskip]

As ivorthediver says "what ever floats your boat", How royal was your Deeside, did One go there for Ones hols or were you working there?,

[davep]

must admit i'd rather have athol brose, or tattie scones, fruit pudding or black pudding as long as it came from stornoway and the snorkers of course.

talking of herrings in and babies heads, how about a cheesy hammy eggy! since i joined our emergency rations on small ships usually consisted of babies head and tinned steak now they have withdrawn it and we have normal 24 hour ration packs instead.

[Vegaskip]

Those items of food of the Gods are every day fare for us up here as you know being just along the road, I suppose the next thing is who makes the best.I some times use a tattie scone as a raft, and nobody has mensioned "train smash".

[Vegaskip]

Those items of food of the Gods are common fare around here as you will know being just along the road, think of our poor foriegn pals but I suppose they have there own exotic favorites.
Has any one mensioned "train smash" another dish of ambrosia!.

[harry.gibbon]

Now lookee ere gents.. Royal Deeside; well one was born there, edumacated there and lest ye ferget twas long afore norf sea oil!!! then at aged 15 one slung ones hook and headed sowf to Ganges via recruiting ossif in Glasgow.

Couldn't afford Marconi Wireless College even with a bursary so twas to be as a sparker that became ones' destiny,

That out of the way, I think perhaps that the originator of this thread will be thinking that the Jocks have hijacked the nosh topics, but never-the-less undaunted I will endorse them all and add ... White puddin suppers, Smokies and butteries for you to be goin on wif.

Lovin it:);):D

Little h

[Francis Stanley]

Francis Stanley Hi,

Re Snorkers ... they are mentioned by Terry Wogan pretty much every morning on BBC Radio 2!!

...so I just wondered what Wiki' attributed the name to:- behold they got it pretty much right, also referring to "Babys' Heads" and "Herrings In" but made absolutely no mention of "s..t on a raft" :D one of my favourite dishes.

Little h

Harry
:) Snorkers refeerence was as vegaskip said from the film cruel sea.

I also loved the "raft" breakfast treat and what about train smash, and who could say no to cheesy hammy eggy! I think I will pass on Brose though:eek:

[Vegaskip]

"Enough, enough," he cried, "enough,enough,I'm satisfied." Thats breky over, whats for Lunch?.

[MartinH-K]

I think this thread just entered... The Twighlight Zone.... (Cue spooky music).

[Francis Stanley]

"Enough, enough," he cried, "enough,enough,I'm satisfied." Thats breky over, whats for Lunch?.

Chogey nosh or mince with a roof :rolleyes:

[davep]

babies heads or maybe a jock pie!:rolleyes:

[nigelweysom]

I was just responding to the Yankee's issue... wot's happened to the grits element of this thread?

I'm still pro Brose!!!

Little h

its a Forum thing and im still none the wiser
Nigel

[harry.gibbon]

Nigel;
you started it :D
Just have a look at one of my earlier postings straight out of Wiki which has a pic of a bowl of the 'stuff' which was enough for me to sod off on a tangent...sorry.

Our Jock tangent might well have generated a diversion by our English contributors who must find it hard to explain why one has an egg with yellow peril...

Little h;)

[Francis Stanley]

Cackle berries? with yellow peril....Yuk, give me corn dog hash :)

[davep]

or for those really rough days on small ships a proper pot mess:)

[Francis Stanley]

Now your talking and about day 3 add some curry powder to liven it up a bit!

[harry.gibbon]

The best potmess we used to enjoy was when it was too dangerous to use either the upper deck or the catwalks and the after galley was flashed-up.

Then of course we didn't have to carry the trays and fannys that far either.

Little h

[Jan Steer]

You mentioned the word 'curry' Francis and that has got me remembering how pusser's curry tasted exactly the same whatever ship I was serving on and no matter where in the world we were operating. It was a long held theory of mine that it was never actually manufactured by the cooks onboard but was pumped across from the RFA curry tankers that operated back then. They were of course thinly disguised as FFO carriers etc but I knew.... I always knew!! I'm convinced that when we carried out a RAS liquid, it was curry that was being pumped across and not fuel. Could never find it listed on the RASREQS though.

Best wishes
Jan

[nigelweysom]

Nigel;
you started it :D
Just have a look at one of my earlier postings straight out of Wiki which has a pic of a bowl of the 'stuff' which was enough for me to sod off on a tangent...sorry.

Our Jock tangent might well have generated a diversion by our English contributors who must find it hard to explain why one has an egg with yellow peril...

Little h;)

im not knocking it , we can all go off at a tangent at times and i think it only adds to the process, as for the Grits it just goes to highlight the fact that Americans have a problem explaining what they are/it is which takes us back to the common language thing
Nigel

[harry.gibbon]

Well now Nigel,

Is it to be Acute or Obtuse? this angle we are about to go off on... it appears the thread is loosing its 'grit', the Jocks have it, the English don't want to admit to scoffing yellow peril with cackle berries and the Americans and possibly Yanks wont rise to the bail.

So where are you taking us now?

Little h ;)

[Vegaskip]

Parting Shot...TRIPE! not the poncy way in white sauce.No, but simmered for about three hours with onions and towards the end add the chopped potatoes and milk to make a gravy/soup.Eat your heart out celebrity chefs

[harry.gibbon]

It appears to be all lost in a belly full of offall. Can't help you here.. never tasted it, seen it, never really wanted to eat it, don't know why ... she who must be obeyed reckons it's good.

Little h

[davep]

i approach tripe the same way lots of people onboard approach haggis lol give me an alternative:)

our chefs usually do the full haggis neeps and tatties but then put mince on for those not adventurous enough:)

[Francis Stanley]

You mentioned the word 'curry' Francis and that has got me remembering how pusser's curry tasted exactly the same whatever ship I was serving on and no matter where in the world we were operating. It was a long held theory of mine that it was never actually manufactured by the cooks onboard but was pumped across from the RFA curry tankers that operated back then. They were of course thinly disguised as FFO carriers etc but I knew.... I always knew!! I'm convinced that when we carried out a RAS liquid, it was curry that was being pumped across and not fuel. Could never find it listed on the RASREQS though.

Best wishes
Jan

:) Jan I think you are correct that also explains the strange shapes in the cargo nets when doing a helo ras, they were giant popadoms!
the off watch chefs would scuttle out under cover of darkness and fashion them to look like canvas boat covers untill they were required fo use