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herakles
06-11-2008, 18:30
This is from today's Age newspaper for your interest:

US naval chief says subs can curb China


Brendan Nicholson, Canberra
November 7, 2008 THE commander of the US nuclear submarine fleet said he believes China's navy is a growing threat and it is vital that American and Australian submarines continue to operate together as "the deadliest force in the world".


Vice-Admiral Jay Donnelly said in Canberra that the biggest security concern in the region was China's increased military spending and arms build-up.


Vice-Admiral Donnelly told a conference of the Submarine Institute of Australia that China was building up to prevent any third party intervening in a conflict with Taiwan.


He said the US was moving 60% of its submarine fleet to the Pacific to respond.


Several weeks ago Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said Australia must develop its armed forces to counter a regional arms build-up — although he did not name China as a threat.


Vice-Admiral Donnelly said Australia's Collins Class submarines could play a crucial role in any future conflict because they were able to operate at very long range without air support in dangerous areas.
He said Chinese defence spending rose by 19% in 2007 and that trend was continuing.


"While the large number of ships being constructed by the Chinese is cause for concern, more important is that we simply don't understand the rationale for many of their activities."


China was developing the ability to disrupt US military satellites and to destroy surface ships far from its shores, he said.

Topmaul
07-11-2008, 01:29
Comrade,
China is a force of the 21st century you folks down under may want to develop your own nuclear weapons.

herakles
07-11-2008, 01:57
In fact China is a major trading partner with us. Relations are very strong. That our PM speaks their language is a significant thing.

Australia was the first country in the world to recognise China officially.

There's no doubt that China is the future.

battlestar
07-11-2008, 07:47
G'Day All

There's no doubt that China is the future.

Yes, but the future of what? I personally have no faith in Communist China. I don't trust them.

The US view is not news. Over the past seven years there has been a quiet, serious, and continuing redepolyment of submarines from the east to west coast. The USS Enterprise, based at Norfolk, in 2005 did a Gulf cruise, then headed for the Pacific to conduct operations around Japan and Korea before returning home. Current USN planning is for at least two carriers in the next ten years to be moved to the west coast, with the possible homeporting of a carrier either at Pearl Harbor or Guam. Now there is talk of widening the Panama Canal to fit ships the size of the new Ford class carriers now under construction.

Plus, the USN has been comducting massive joint service, multi-carrier exersizes over the past two years off Guam call Valiant Shield, just to let China know they care! Plus the ramifications of the EP-3 Orion incident had not gone away.

To top it off, the saga of the Varag and her purchase from Russia is still the most underhanded way of getting around moving the ship around the Black Sea Treaty. Calling it a casino and claiming it was brought by private conserns, then bribing Turkey with a million tourists for the next twenty years! And when Varag makes it to China, it disappears into a military shipyard at Dailin (You can view it on google earth) to be fitted out for operations, with a nice Chinese paint Job!

Don't trust them at all. Worried? When they get better logistics and better and more blue water supply ship, yeah, I'll worry then about Australia. But I know it still means that the PLA-N can still cause problems closer to their shores, with the big possiblity of dragging the world with them!

The pic is from Valiant Shield 2006, the carriers are Reagan, Kitty Hawk, and Nimitz.

herakles
07-11-2008, 08:15
It's an indisputable fact that China has roared ahead and soon will be the dominant nation on earth. If not already.

Either there is going to be one hellofa big fight some time in the future or nations will learn to co-exist.

The first pointer will be the way the new incumbent of the White House handles the matter. Somehow I feel he will be less confrontational.

battlestar
07-11-2008, 08:21
G'Day All

It's an indisputable fact that China has roared ahead and soon will be the dominant nation on earth. If not already.
Either there is going to be one hellofa big fight some time in the future or nations will learn to co-exist.
The first pointer will be the way the new incumbent of the White House handles the matter. Somehow I feel he will be less confrontational.

This is true Herk, but China has some major internal problems that are a few to 20 years down the track, from overpopulation with men to the near 20% HIV rate. I just hope they don't go down the path that General Galtieri headed in 1982, taking his country to war to distract from internal problems.

But I fear you are right, sooner or later, I think it will come to clash of arms!:(

herakles
07-11-2008, 08:57
An overpopulation of men? Just what you want to fight a war with.

Just in passing, I note that the USA is having trouble keeping the numbers up in Iraq. Added to this is the distinct lack of will among the youth of Western Nations to shed their blood on some battlefield.

And I won't mention India.

astraltrader
07-11-2008, 16:13
Obama will press for as quick a withdrawal from Iraq as he can get away with.

China is still some way off being the dominant power militarily - but 25 years time is a different proposition...

India has too many potential and actual economic problems to pose a threat to anybody else other than Pakistan for the forseeable.