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herakles
10-10-2008, 22:39
This response was given to someone in relation to a petition to award a campaign medal to all members of Bomber Command.

I've haven't read so much garbage in a long time.

The Government is aware of the widespread admiration for the major contribution that the crews of Bomber Command made to the Allied victory in World War II and their commitment in the face of significant losses. However, the institution of medals quite rightly is not in the gift of politicians. While the Armed Forces can prepare a case that seeks to justify the institution of a new medal, there are many processes through which submissions must first pass and ultimately this would need to be approved by HM The Queen.

The procedures which lead to the institution of a British award have been followed for many years, with only minor changes. The process starts if the Commander in Chief considers that service in that theatre, or under particularly rigorous circumstances, justifies a medal. His recommendation is passed to senior military officers who, if they are in agreement, submit the case for a medal to the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS). If the CDS approves the proposal, the Defence Services Secretary submits the case to the Committee on the Grant of Honours, Decorations and Medals, known as the HD Committee, through the Ceremonial Officer at the Cabinet Office. The HD Committee consider the case and, if it agrees it has merit, submits it to The Sovereign for approval. There is no direct Ministerial or political involvement with the Committee.

Since the end of World War II, the HD Committee has maintained a consistent policy that it will not consider the belated institution of awards and medals for service given many years earlier. The reason for this policy is that the present HD Committee cannot put itself in the place of the Committee which made the original decision and which would have been able to take account of the views of all interested parties at the time. A dedicated medal for Bomber Command was considered by the HD Committee of the time and it was decided that the institution of such a medal, or indeed one for Coastal Command, South East Asia Command etc, was not appropriate.

It is true that a decision was taken in 2003 that a medal should be issued retrospectively to veterans who served in the Suez Canal Zone between October 1951 and October 1954. However, this case was unique. Unlike Bomber Command, where there was clear evidence that the HD Committee had considered the case for a dedicated medal, but decided against it, there was no conclusive evidence that the case for a medal for the Canal Zone in the early 1950s had ever been considered by those in command at the time.

Finally, no medals were awarded purely for service in a particular Command during World War II. Those who completed the minimum qualifying period of service in operational areas were eligible for the 1939-45 Star and those with long service in non-operational areas received the Defence Medal. In addition to the 1939-45 Star and Defence Medal, a series of Campaign stars were created for participants in particularly hazardous campaigns, and many Bomber Command personnel qualified for the much prized Aircrew Europe Star or, for example, the France and Germany Star.

We have set out the procedures in some detail because we want to make it clear that there is an exhaustive process for making these decisions that as far as possible ensures consistency and fairness.
We hope this explains the situation.

james_harvey
03-09-2009, 17:06
I think award productions released a medal for bomber comand for all veterans of bomber comand with all proceeds going to bomber comand association.

Why doesn't the government just sanction that medal?

Regards

james

Wafu
03-09-2009, 22:43
They did produce a Malta Medal in 1992, for those who fought to protect the Island. My old man was there with the Path-Finders and managed to be awarded one just before he died.

Kevin123
03-09-2009, 22:50
I had a brochure from award productions, and they seem to be supplying medals for all sorts of different things. Some were for ex pow's, nuclear tests, service in Hong Kong, bomber command, and a few more. I'm not sure if any of these are official though. Kevin.

james_harvey
04-09-2009, 14:50
the only one that was made official was for Malta GC.

It is allowed to be worn inline with ww2 medals. Not seen the recent brochure, I only know about it as i brought the normandy medal from them, but they had a few medal then, i think one was for suez, which has now been granted its own clasp.

Regards

James

steve roberts
23-12-2009, 20:25
Hi gang.My father was a Bomber Pilot during WW2,completing 90 Missions in all,and considered himself extremely lucky to come through,He would not even marry my Mother until the war was over,so slim were the chances of survival.There was a medal issued I believe called "Air Crew Europe 1939-1945" a sort of campaign medal like todays general service medal,but DEFINATELY none for purely Bomber command!Look how long it took Harris to get any recognition!Our present government will probably wait a few more years,when most of these brave men are gone,thereby saving costs.Most ex service organisations dont recognise these medals offered by private companies.Steve.

MelQuick
05-04-2010, 18:24
Hi Everyone

I was recently presented with the Pingat Jasa Malaysia medal for services rendered in Malaysia in 1965.

Whilst Australian and New Zealand servicemen and ex-servicemen can wear this medal with their others, the British government, for reasons best known to themselves, have decreed that this medal cannot be worn with British medals.

Well, I'm the highest rank of the bloody lot now (Mr!) and I am quite happy to ignore this idiocy.

Mel

qprdave
05-04-2010, 18:47
You go Mel

You earned the medal.

Don't let these Politicians dictate to you!!!!!!

jainso31
08-11-2010, 12:56
My uncle,now deceased,was a flight Engineer with 90 (lancaster) Squadron
The sqdn was in 3 Group which specialised in daylight bombing aided by GH
ie A radar device called Ground/Home, so the bomb aimer could bomb through cloud.He was awarded the DFM for leadership and coolness on Ops
and he 37yrs old.He got the F&G Star and bought the Bomber Command Medal for £35 I think -it is in a presentation case along with a card with his name and rank written-it is less than standard medal size and not all that attractive.The government could not sensibly take over somrthing that has been bought for a Charity.Looking at screed of gobbledigook shown initialy I think this is dead issue.


jainso31

Mitch Hinde
08-11-2010, 22:19
Hi Everyone

I was recently presented with the Pingat Jasa Malaysia medal for services rendered in Malaysia in 1965.

Whilst Australian and New Zealand servicemen and ex-servicemen can wear this medal with their others, the British government, for reasons best known to themselves, have decreed that this medal cannot be worn with British medals.

Well, I'm the highest rank of the bloody lot now (Mr!) and I am quite happy to ignore this idiocy.

Mel

Hi All

I too have the PJM for service in Malaya/Singapore 59/61 and 64/66 which I will be wearing on Sunday and stuff the politicians. If it's good enough for the Government of Malaysia, it's good enough for me.:D:D
Mitch Hinde

brian james
09-11-2010, 01:45
Good on you boys you tell em!!!!You did the time (and the crime) Wear it with pride like i do,and stuff em all!!!!!yeah!

Dave Hutson
09-11-2010, 12:03
I think you will find most recipients of the PJM ignoring the Government line. I remember both my General Service Medal and my Long Service Medal being virtually thrown at me with "These must be yours". At least the Malaysian Govt elected to present the Medal to all recipients with their thanks for our part in their struggle.

Mine is mounted with the others and worn as a thankyou to them.

Win 'em and wear 'em lads - stuff the Politicos.

Can't think of any of them who actually served under the colours and a lot of our top heavy top brass side with them to avoid redundancy.

Dave H

Mitch Hinde
09-11-2010, 14:20
Hi All

I did nothing in comparison to the RAF personel who served and died in Bomber Command. To deny them an award to commemorate their sacrifices is an affront to their memories that should be put right immediately.

Mitch Hinde

Dave Hutson
09-11-2010, 16:27
I'll second, third and fourth that Mitch. I thought the German objection to the Memorial in Brussels was an affront to the memory of the guys of Bomber Command. Have they forgotten that they started it with the London Blitz.

Honour them as is their due and never let us forget the sacrifice made by so many in the pursuit of our freedom.

If the Germans aren't happy [and once again we know it isn't all Germans because in their own way and for their own cause, however flawed it was, there were many thousands of brave German Servicemen who gave their lives and provided no Nazi or SS are honoured then I have no objection to their Memorials] - TOUGH

Dave H

Mitch Hinde
15-11-2010, 18:15
Hi All

At least according to the ITV news on London Tonight the Bomber Command Memorial will be built. Paid for by public subscription.

Mitch Hinde

jainso31
23-01-2011, 19:50
At least the Bomber Command Memorial will be a fairly lasting tribute to those 55000 thousand young volunteers who lost their lives for us.

jainso31

Egypt
23-01-2011, 21:06
I don't really understand this thread - what's wong with the existing Air Crew Europe Star?

jainso31
30-01-2011, 14:39
Nothing WRONG with the ACE star, other than its final qualifying date was 5/6/44 ,after this all quallifying aircrew got the F&G star; which was issued to all arms of service also after this date, This is what bred the clamour for a specific Campaign Star for Bomber Command 1939/45.


jainso31

Egypt
30-01-2011, 16:07
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Bomber Command, however I think we are all well aware just how parsimonious HM Government is with regard to medal issues. There would have had to have been a clear and very strong case established to justify the issue of an entirely new campaign star purely for Bomber Command and altough they are a deserving cause, I guess the powers that be believed that they were already being well enough rewarded by entitlement to the 1935-45 star, plus either an Air Crew Europe or the France/Germany Stars.
Bear in mind that it seems acceptable that Fighter Command simply 'make do' with only a clasp to the 1939-45 Star for their efforts during the Battle of Britain, and other brave and deserving cases, such as those involved in Malta Convoys in the Mediterranean also had no special medal issued to them.
Seems a bit odd to me that people seek to make out a case for a new campaign medal on the grounds of exclusivity i.e. the bomber crews would have entitlement to the medal - but not anyone say in fighter escorts that may have accompanyed them at least part of the way.
Anyway it's all too long in the past to be worrying about this issue nowadays - whether justified or not, 'that's life in a blue suit for you' (albeit it's airforce blue in this particular case).