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Gerard Peels
12-05-2008, 17:43
Dear all

For all those who are interested in pictures of Naval Vessels the following weblink might be of interest:-
http://www.shipspotting.com/userinfo.php?uid=2193, press show all at the bottom and here you go.

I think there are some 320 pics here....

Enjoy

Gerard

ceylon220
22-06-2008, 08:57
SHIPS IN SLIEMA CREEK,
Type 12 & type 15 frigates and a mixing of weapon and daring class destroyers, date unknown.

CYLLA
22-06-2008, 11:43
I have seen this pic before ,but i have never had the opportunity to ask,?

Those slip ways to right of the piccy,were they just for hull manitance ???
simlar to the ones just inside gib dockyard gate.

cylla

historydavid
22-06-2008, 22:39
Cylla, I would say maintenance and emergency repairs during wartime, as I have not heard of any shipbuilding at Malta.

oldsalt
16-10-2008, 17:42
I was in Sluys 1951-2 , we were in the Med when the King died, we then went to Malta. Destroyers mooring in Sliema creek always went in stern first to moor bows facing the sea. It was a grand sight to see 12 or so battle class moored in the creek.

rumrat
16-10-2008, 17:53
The slipways on the right are on Manoel Island and were used to slip small craft MFV's and Mls etc.
The ships in the above picture are as follows
BATTLEAXE CROSSBOW WHITBY ZEST
SCARBOROUGH DAINTY DARING
TORQUAY and TENBY
A couple of Tons and some Empire class Lst's
Regards
Dave

SCRG1970
16-10-2008, 18:25
An earlier view of the Med Destroyer Flotilla 1930s berthed in what I believe to be Sliema Creek although it reads Marsamuscetto Harbour.

Regards

gerry

tim lewin
16-10-2008, 19:05
wonderful pictures; has anyone got any from 1950-51? I was a 4-year old at this time living with my parents in one of the flats at the top of the pic. Like any 4-year old memories are very sketchy. I am told my favourite pastime was sliding down the stairs with the daughter of one of my father's friends in the laundry hamper (dont see them anymore!). There was a huge, to me, model of the leaning tower of pisa in the entry-way, made of wood and paintred green, why?. My father was flotilla gunnery officer in Chequers, i can remember rowing across the creek with him to the old morris 10 he had on the opposite side which seemed to have half the engine on the front seat, later i understood it was only the head and he was doing a routine de-coke (another thing no one needs to do these days).
It was at this time I managed to catch polio, Chequers was then at the head of the Persian Gulf trying with her sisters to shake a stick at the Iranians so they wouldnt nationalise the oil refinery at ibadan. I think Mike Townsend was Captain D,.They did it anyway. Later i was in Bhighi hospital, remember the floating dock outside and then flying home with my mother in an Avro York full of wounded soldier from Korea.
Later in 1956 he was back with the 4th DF as Capt of Corunna; when he recorded his memories for the book just begfore he died he ran thru all the wheel and revolutions orders for approaching Sliema "con brio" for me. These details are what makes history alive.
There is a story of one of his first attempts to impress with Corunna by thundering up to the buoy astern and hoovering the buoy-ropes that the previously thoughtless occupant had left unbrailed and in the water, round both screws. It took hours of discreet unravelling in the dark to regain composure. but brio there was aplenty, no one appreciated caution in those days (so i'm told)
tim
tim

jonti
17-10-2008, 01:27
A personal reflection! I first saw Sliema Creek in 1953, joining the Med Fleet after attending the Coronation Review. My enduring memory is of older Maltese men, perhaps on their way to work, drinking tea out of a glass outside one of the cafes/ bars which then lined the edge of the creek. Tea out of a glass - how cool is that! Rob T

joseph bonnici
17-10-2008, 08:41
here s one for you tim

tim lewin
17-10-2008, 14:10
Many thanks, is that from the series of the RN at Malta? I have one book, and some then and now vols left in my father's collection, a very fine photo.
tim

CYLLA
17-10-2008, 14:28
Here is a very interesting gathering of ships,of course there is "CAMPERDOWN"is in the foreground ,but the other,s in the background ,i have no idea.

cylla

Chris Howat
17-10-2008, 19:45
Good photograph! Thanks for sharing it.
Two of the other ships could be American

joseph bonnici
18-10-2008, 12:13
Tim yes i ve got 3 volumes , volume 1, the victorian era 1865 -1906, volume 2 1907-1939 . the oter volume is the rn in Malta 1900-2000. bye Joseph

CYLLA
18-10-2008, 13:32
Hi chris

When i ever we did a exercise with the americans,i can remember they used to mainly be up ITALY side of the coast ....never saw any around MALTA.

cylla

joseph bonnici
18-10-2008, 15:32
don t think they re american ships . the one next to camperdown is not for sure. her pennant no looks like turkish. the americans have forward pn. joseph

rumrat
18-10-2008, 15:45
A gaggle of Battle and Weapons classes of the 107th Destroyer Squadron in Sliema Creek
DUNKIRK
TRAFALGAR
SCORPION
BROADSWORD
AISNE
Regards
Dave

TACKLINE
18-10-2008, 20:20
I first went to Malta in May '43. A bit worse for wear,but we could still enjoy a good run ashore. Malta,amongst matelots,had one of the best known thoroughfares in the world -The 'Gut'. Went back in '86 on holiday,and the place was transformed,very enjoyable. The 'Gut' was still there of course,but gone were the bars etc,and there were no RN ships in the creek. At that time there was a dispute between our govt and the Maltese govt. Did'nt look the same without warships there.

CYLLA
18-10-2008, 21:13
In my e.mails many moons ago ,i was sent this piccy ,....it just might start those grey cells working again.

cylla

Batstiger
18-10-2008, 21:42
On seeing the thread about 'Siliema Creek' it made me look back at some photographs taken in 2003.
I'll post them in a seperate thread for those of you who may be interested.
Unfortunately there are no ships from the 'Grey funnel line'
They may stir up a few memories especially a cetain street sign


Bob.

Batstiger
18-10-2008, 21:45
I'll put them up in batches of six.

Batstiger
18-10-2008, 21:49
A few more.

Batstiger
18-10-2008, 21:55
Another assortment.

Batstiger
18-10-2008, 21:59
And some more. Note where the Barracca lift used to be.

Batstiger
18-10-2008, 22:08
And finally some of the luxurious buses that now ply their trade upon the island.

joseph bonnici
19-10-2008, 04:06
very nice pics Bob. good old memories. its a pity there s no ships in the harbour. but sometimes rn ships still visit us every now and then. attached are 2 pics taken recently. thanks, Joseph

joseph bonnici
19-10-2008, 06:56
bob here are 2 more Montrose and Somerset . Joseph

tonclass
19-10-2008, 07:08
Would anyone object if we combine the Sliema Creek thread and the Grand Harbour thread into a general MALTA thread ? After all Malta was as much an Allied Naval Base as Pompey, Devonport or Rosyth.
Thoughts please...

joseph bonnici
19-10-2008, 07:47
Rik i agree with you perfectly, no problems

Batstiger
19-10-2008, 09:26
No problem with me Rik, I usually get moaned at if I go off topic!
Thanks for your input Joseph.

Bob.

rumrat
19-10-2008, 10:35
Here's a few pix taken in Dockyard Creek Grand Harbour in 1974

ABDIEL , WILTON ,BOSSINGTON and MAXTON were employed clearing mines and war debris from the Suez canal and as such every 6 weeks or so we got a weeks stand down initialy we made the overnight trip to Famagusta on our own but when the Turks invaded the Island we had to trek aross the length of the Med to get to Malta these trips were nornally made in pairs in case of breakdowns etc,
These pix were taken when we sailed in company with ABDIEL and WILTON the GMD is NORFOLK in for a self Maintenance period and the sweeper shots are of MAXTON.
If anyone is interested i'll post some pictures taken in the Canal zone etc
Regards
Dave

rumrat
19-10-2008, 11:02
Not Sleima Creek but Dockyard Creek
The leander class EURYALUS alongside ST ANGELO and the Type 12 ROTHESAY sailing up Grand Harbour.

Rik / Terry are you going to amalgamate these Matlese pictures into one thread as it's getting confusing which one to use.


Regards
Dave

CYLLA
19-10-2008, 11:46
DAVE ,
Yes i would like to see your photos of the Canal zone,being on a little sweeper at the time in Gib ,it will be nice to see what the big boys were up to.
But sorry i have none of the little sweeper i was on ,it never entered my head to takes pics at the time,thou our married quarter,s was only a stone throw away .

cylla

oldsalt
19-10-2008, 17:34
Here is a splendid view of Sliema Creek, with a number of Battle Class moored. The picture was taken in the late 50's

TACKLINE
19-10-2008, 18:48
Bob,Many thanks for your detailed tour of Valetta,great shots. During the war years,a rating fell to his death down the lift shaft. Some useless information. There are 365 churches in Malta,one for every day of the year. Are there still cars of years gone by still on the road? I'm thinking of A35's,A40's Cortinas,Morris Minor's etc, cars of that ilk,which were very much in evidence in '86. The buses still look ancient. Tackline.

Linton
19-10-2008, 19:29
I have been sent a few pictures of the lazaretto area taken this year but would like a few shots of the interior.Does anybody have any?This was the area used by submarines.

Batstiger
19-10-2008, 19:51
Here are a few more. Forgive me if they are repeats.

Bob.

Batstiger
19-10-2008, 19:56
And two more.

upspirits
19-10-2008, 20:40
here s one for you tim
Brings back memories..F17 is Ulysees, F200 isUrsa. F08 is Urania, The other must be Undine... cracking picture, thanks....upspirits

joseph bonnici
20-10-2008, 09:10
clearing the rubble after the bombing of the bus terminus outside valletta, Bob note the old buses. the other pic is the figureheadof hms cruiser amidst the destruction in the shore establishment HMS ST ANGELO. thanks joseph

joseph bonnici
20-10-2008, 09:17
i have to send them again. i think i clicked the descreen button by mistake

joseph bonnici
20-10-2008, 11:24
these are boadicea, trafalgar ,warspite , cornwall

jonti
21-10-2008, 06:03
Valletta harbour June 1953 after the Med Fleet had returned from the Coronation Review. I apologise for the quality, the camera was a pre-loved Decora. No idea who the cruisers are or the straight funnelled ship in the background by the Dockyard. Rob T

joseph bonnici
21-10-2008, 08:44
linton these are the photos i could find for you. hms pandora at her launch, the other one before she was sunk in french creek. the wreck i could find was of p36 which was sunk on april 1 1942 and raised after the war . Joseph

Linton
21-10-2008, 08:57
Thank you for those.P36 was a U class group 2 submarine built by Vickers at Barrow.The scrapping took place in 1958
HMS P36 was lying alongside a jetty at Silema creek in Malta When the Luftwaffe attacked the harbour. A large bomb landed sufficiently near the submarine to hole her and she began to sink. Despite desperate efforts to save her she rolled over and sank.
Pandora- 1st April 1942, a JU87 dropped a bomb directly down the conning tower hatch while the boat was moored at Hamilton Wharf, Malta. The casualties were all from duty watch. P36, moored at the Lazaretto, was sunk in the same attack. HMS Pandora arrived at Malta loaded with stores on 31st March 1942. Having discharged her oil she was moved to Hamilton Wharf at dawn the following day. A bombing raid began as she was being further unloaded and rather than delay her progress it was decided to continue despite the raid. Between 1500 and 1600 on the afternoon of 1st April Pandora received two direct hits from bombs and sank.
Do you have any of Turbulent in Malta?

joseph bonnici
21-10-2008, 09:31
i will have a look in the shelf and see what i can find ok , Joseph

joseph bonnici
21-10-2008, 10:11
force c entering grand harbour on january 1942 escorting the armed auxiliary GLENGYLE from Alexandria. hms SIKH is leading JAGUAR ,LIVELY and LANCE with GLENGYLE astern. next image is of GLENGYLE entering grand harbour

tonclass
21-10-2008, 14:51
HMS OCEAN - Sunday Divisions, Grand Harbour, August 1946

USS LITTLE ROCK - Grand Harbour 1946

Batstiger
21-10-2008, 15:54
Would that be the Ranpura Rik?

Bob.

tonclass
21-10-2008, 16:06
Not sure Bob.

Batstiger
21-10-2008, 19:45
These came from the same source so I will keep them together.
Any sign of that elusive Pom-Pom mounting?

Bob.

jonti
22-10-2008, 01:09
More shots of Malta in 1953/54. The buses then look the same as those used during the war. Rob T

BCRenown
22-10-2008, 09:19
Any sign of that elusive Pom-Pom mounting?

I'm afraid not Bob. Those beautiful photos were taken 1921-22, 14 or 15 years too early for Renown's port pom-pom mounting. Some great photos here though. Thanks to all for sharing.

Monty

stewart mcloughlin
22-10-2008, 09:47
They are still using the same buses, in which they show great pride.
Pity the state of the road surface doesn't match up.
Stewart

CYLLA
22-10-2008, 10:07
I don't know the name of the house??......but when jacks ashore ,and getting his piccy taken,.....what,s better than a relic of a gun.....and a couple of gunnery rates { runshore mates }posing along side .

Can we mostly say "been there ,done that" ;)


cylla

joseph bonnici
22-10-2008, 10:39
cylla that building is auberge de castille the prime minister office.
attached is another pic of the same place

joseph bonnici
22-10-2008, 11:27
here are 4 loch class corvettes LOCH GLENDHU ,LOCH MORE, LOCH SCAVAIG, LOCH SWANNEY in grand harbour. Joseph

bluestreak
22-10-2008, 15:52
:DI don't know the name of the house??......but when jacks ashore ,and getting his piccy taken,.....what,s better than a relic of a gun.....and a couple of gunnery rates { runshore mates }posing along side .

Can we mostly say "been there ,done that" ;)


cylla

Cylla, That photo was probably taken after having a few wets in the Britannia Club, which was the NAAFI bar just a few yards away!:D

Tony L:p

Batstiger
22-10-2008, 16:10
Cylla, I thought the two Robbies could do with a bit of colour.

Bob.

CYLLA
22-10-2008, 16:29
Batstiger,
MANY thanks for that improvement of colour.

The camera was my old man,s he used during WW11,it was a "zeiss"..[spelling]concertina type.

Both robbie,s were off HMS SCYLLA,we were going/been on exersise in the med.
Both being gunnery rates,and at the time ,just got ashore after "tot" time...that dates it :p....so we were all ready for a run ashore :)

cylla

astraltrader
22-10-2008, 18:54
here are 4 loch class corvettes LOCH GLENDHU ,LOCH MORE, LOCH SCAVAIG, LOCH SWANNEY in grand harbour. Joseph

Joseph - you haven`t got these available in a decent size?

jonti
22-10-2008, 23:11
What an excellent thread this has turned out to be. Just shows how many of our paths crossed in Malta over the years. Rob T

rumrat
23-10-2008, 12:48
Lochs in Malta

Dave

BCRenown
23-10-2008, 13:17
With their raked stems, stepped quarterdecks and large lattice masts, the 'Lochs', 'Bays' & 'Castles' were great looking ships - an aspect for which they're rarely credited.

Monty

Batstiger
23-10-2008, 13:41
I know this is no good to anybody but I had a fantastic picture of the weapon class destroyer "Battleaxe" going stern first down Siliema creek. I have since lost it but I know that I purchased it from a well known photographer so maybe there are copies of it about. I hope so!

Bob.

alanbenn
23-10-2008, 13:43
Dave, that's an excellent set of photo's there, thanks for posting them.


My next batch of ship's badges will be the 'Loch class' so please take a look.

Regards
Alan

rumrat
23-10-2008, 14:15
A collection of Type 12s in and around Malta
Dave

joseph bonnici
23-10-2008, 14:18
these photos were taken in november 1902. it s for the experts to identify their names. Joseph

rumrat
23-10-2008, 14:23
Depot Ships

Dave

rumrat
23-10-2008, 14:48
Picture 1 I'd say was a Centurian Class Battlship BARFLEUR or CENTURION
Picture 2 Eclipse Class Cruiser
Picture 3 ?
Only a guess and i'm usually dead wrong on these.
Dave

Batstiger
23-10-2008, 17:02
Not being a submariner what is happening to the L.20 on the Titania picture?

Bob.

joseph bonnici
23-10-2008, 17:38
hms troubride as a leader. holm sound and staffordshire

Linton
23-10-2008, 19:59
L20 is trimmed down so that work can be done on the aft planes or the screw.

Linton
23-10-2008, 20:01
Do you have any dates on the depot ship pictures.the first has a grp 2 or 3 T-class in it but without the mod to add some extra weaponry aft of the conning tower.When was this taken?

SCRG1970
23-10-2008, 20:12
Linton

If the Sweeper is SEFTON or SANTON it would date it around 1957 as both were in Malta then.

Gerry

NSR
23-10-2008, 20:33
A couple from the album. I am not sure which cruiser is in the background of the shot of Triumph alongside Palatorio Wharf. These were taken in 1949 after our refit in the floating dock in French Creek.

I have added Lascaris Wharf as you might just make out the Dreadnaught Bar where we bought our lodging tickets for the Iron Duke a couple of doors down. It was a great pleasure on a Sunday when we had seven bell leave to lie in bed with a cup of tea watching the rest of the ships company at Divisions on the flight dack. One of life's minor pleasures.

Ken

rumrat
24-10-2008, 10:01
KENT Alongside in Grand Harbour June 2006
There's only one thing missing from these pictures and that Dhaigsa's ,When i first came to Malta in the early 70s there was 100s of them all you had to do was shout and a dozen or more came racing across to pick you up,
Now you have to ring him on his mobile and be told he'll be with you in 20 minutes how times have changed,
Anyone know when they all disappeared ?and where do old Dhaigsa's go ?

Regards
Dave

rumrat
24-10-2008, 10:15
TOTEM Leaving Grand Harbour 1957

Dave

joseph bonnici
24-10-2008, 10:50
hms enard bay entering harbour, hms badsworth a casualty of the minefields outside malta, hms surprise about to enter harbour, lazzaretto creek the submarine depot. Joseph

joseph bonnici
24-10-2008, 11:15
dave since 1979when malta became a republic the dghajsa began to dissapear. the naval was nt anymore . there s still a couple operating for tourists but seldom used. some of them are still competing for the annual santa maria convoy races in grand harbour. Joseph

Batstiger
24-10-2008, 11:19
Terrific pictures once again Dave many thanks for them.
Tell me , when was the Barracca lift dismantled and has anybody got a decent photograph of it?
There seem to be a limited amount about and they are all in black and white.

Bob.

astraltrader
24-10-2008, 12:54
Thanks for the pictures Joseph and Dave:)

joseph bonnici
24-10-2008, 13:40
Bob here are 2 pics of the lift but im afraid no better resolution. but i try to find a better one and post it later. i think it got dimantled in 1973. i will check that too, Joseph

rumrat
24-10-2008, 14:25
Joseph,
Can you tell me where the seamans mission went to,? on my last visit to Malta my wife Heather and i walked all over the area but could''t find it ,Am i right in thinking that the building is now used as the customs house ?
I spent many a happy weekend living there shame it's all gone now.
I also found that my favorite bar the Black Cat Bar in Senglia is now a garage spent many happy bliss hours ratted in there.
Regards
Dave

rumrat
24-10-2008, 14:27
Here's a few more photo's of SURPRISE

Regards
Dave

Batstiger
24-10-2008, 15:52
Thanks for those Joseph, unfortunately they are two that I already have in my meagre collection.

Bob.

jonti
25-10-2008, 05:56
Your photos of Depot ships Dave (Rum Rat) brought 2 more Malta memories flooding back. Aerial photo of Forth in Msida Creek showed the 2 well-deck cranes and they were my first personal responsibilty as a young Tiff when I joined Forth in 1953.
The other memory is of hundreds of young male and female Maltese over the months leaving Valletta by ocean liners to start new lives in Australia and New Zealand. The Malta Times would publish the names of those leaving and the shores of the harbour were crowded with their families. Rob T

joseph bonnici
25-10-2008, 07:40
dave as younoticed some of the buildings are no more they had to make way for the new sea terminal with new quays for liners, new customs ,etc. the bar you mentioned in senglea i used to play darts there, its about 15 min. walk from where i live in fgura. bye. Joseph

joseph bonnici
25-10-2008, 09:38
hms calpe, hms arbutus ,hms barnard castle, hms freesia, hms maiden castle, hms peacock in harbour. Joseph

rumrat
25-10-2008, 10:12
Joseph mate you are spot on about the Darts at the Black Cat bar, as i recall they were champions of malta 1974, i played many a game of darts there ,
In fact i had a thing going with the owners daughter.
Dave

CYLLA
25-10-2008, 10:14
Dave ,
as we say ,have you any piccy,s??????:):):)

cylla

Batstiger
25-10-2008, 10:18
I never thought to mention this before but this site is worth logging on to for a bit of nostalgia:-

http://www.visitmalta.com/main

Click on Live web camera and keep up to date with the ships that daily visit the island.
The shots are taken regularly as you can follow the small boats across the harbour.
I only wish there were more cameras and more views, let us know what you think.

Bob.

CYLLA
25-10-2008, 10:21
Dave ,
the photo of PEACOCK ,i belive i can make out a ship sunk ,right in the back ground.??

I am trying to work out a date .

Done a history check on PEACOCK ,carnt find much.

cylla

Batstiger
25-10-2008, 10:24
That is the famous tanker "Ohio".

Bob.

rumrat
25-10-2008, 10:36
A slightly better picture than Joesphs
Dave

rumrat
25-10-2008, 10:38
ARK ROYAL

Dave

rumrat
25-10-2008, 10:51
A Selection of survey boats.

Dave

Batstiger
25-10-2008, 14:44
Barracca from the air.

Bob.

joseph bonnici
25-10-2008, 15:06
nice pic Bob never saw that before thanks

tjstoneman
25-10-2008, 16:23
Joseph,

Thank you for posting various photos - I have a couple of observations about the two ships shown as Castle class in post #88. They were two of the five Castle class ships completed as convoy rescue ships, and never sailed as warships. They were classified as merchant ships (and therefore not "HMS"); the ex-BARNARD CASTLE was renamed EMPIRE SHELTER, and the MAIDEN CASTLE became EMPIRE LIFEGUARD. After the war I believe they were occasionally used as troopships.

Tim

Batstiger
25-10-2008, 17:02
You are quite correct in what you say Tim although I don't know about them being used as troopships.

Bob.

oldsalt
25-10-2008, 17:20
On a lighter vein, who remembers Tony's bar on Sliema front, there was a framed picture on the wall showing two PO's who drank an enormous number of bottled beer( Cisks Blue Label?). Me & the wife went into Tony's about 12 yrs ago. Tony was still there, he made a rainbow cocktail for the mssus, the last coloured liqueur going to the bottom of the glass. I expect he has passed on by now, his conviction that he would see the return of rows of RN ships in Sliema Creek before he died, is never going to happen. :D:D:cool::cool:

joseph bonnici
26-10-2008, 07:05
hms antelope, broadsword, charity, chevron, chivalrous, constance. Joseph

tim lewin
27-10-2008, 05:19
Some time in the late fifties the remains of Ohio were raised and taken out to sea to be sunk by gunfire; anyone remember which half (she broke in tow I beleive after discharging) and which ship delivered the coup de grace?
tim

joseph bonnici
27-10-2008, 08:45
not very clear pics, hms corunna ,crossbow, euryalus, finisterre, hotspur ilex and dghajsas in harbour 1930, Joseph

joseph bonnici
28-10-2008, 12:12
from l to r albacore, clinton, fierce, fly ,golden fleece, isis, lance, london, lookout

nogrub
28-10-2008, 13:26
Hello Keith.

Yes I remember Tony's bar, it was quite a favourite with the RN, I believe the 2 PO's drank somewhere in the region of 152 bottles of Blue Label in an afternoons session.

Does anyone remember Yorkies bar opposite Manoel Island bridge , or the Granada (The Bank of Malta) the last time I visited Malta, it was owned by Tessa who I believe was Married to Yorkie,she also owned the Gardenia in Floriana.

Regards

Harry

oldsalt
28-10-2008, 17:52
Hello Keith.

Yes I remember Tony's bar, it was quite a favourite with the RN, I believe the 2 PO's drank somewhere in the region of 152 bottles of Blue Label in an afternoons session.

Does anyone remember Yorkies bar opposite Manoel Island bridge , or the Granada (The Bank of Malta) the last time I visited Malta, it was owned by Tessa who I believe was Married to Yorkie,she also owned the Gardenia in Floriana.

Regards

Harry
I 'm afraid you've got me on the Bank of Malta, now the egyptian queen in the gut, mus'nt let myself get too carried away, wonder what happened to the sparrow?

joseph bonnici
30-10-2008, 12:33
hms maenad , musketeer ,mutine, powerful, providence, resolution, royalist. Joseph

TACKLINE
30-10-2008, 21:02
Does anyone remember " The lucky wheel" situated in the Gut,and the resident "entertainers",Bobby and Sugar? War time memories. Tackline.

ChalkyWhite
31-10-2008, 08:00
Joseph have you a similar photo showing the 4th Destroyer Squadron of Agincourt, Aisne, Barrosa and Corruna in 1954-55? Barrosa in particular I would be interested in.
Whilst there I did a radar course on Manoel Island and sometimes saw destroyers reversing into Sliema Creek which at times was interesting to say the least! That sort of ship handling certainly sorted out the men from the boys and I recall that Barrosa had quite a reputation for hitting things during that commission
Thanks.

Chalky White

rumrat
31-10-2008, 08:32
Chalky,
Here's a couple of shots for you one of the 4th Destroyer Squadron and another of BARROSA in Grand Harbour.

Dave

nogrub
31-10-2008, 09:14
Hello Tackline.

Yes I remember Bobby, Sugar, and Sonny, They moved from the Gut to Floriana in the early 50's. I was told that Bobby moved to Plymouth. I was also told that the Sparrow married a Chief Stoker, and they eventually emigrated to Australia.

Regards
Harry




Regards

Harry

TACKLINE
31-10-2008, 21:06
Thanks for that info Harry. Don't remember the Sparrow or Sonny though. What year are you talking? Tackline.

jonti
01-11-2008, 04:28
Call up the thread:'HMS Cumberland 1950s' and you will see Bobby, Dirty Dicks, et al were discussed along with other features of the 'Gut'. Rob T

joseph bonnici
01-11-2008, 09:16
hms mutine, hms wave ,hms whirlwind. the ex naval base hms st angelo

vivian
01-11-2008, 19:57
Hi Joseph, that second ship (colour pic) is unusual....is that your yacht? :)

regards
Vivian

Chris Howat
02-11-2008, 16:28
An unusual visitor to Malta?

astraltrader
03-11-2008, 10:07
Thanks Chris - a fine photo.

joseph bonnici
03-11-2008, 16:38
vivian no way it could be mine maybe in my dreams, nice to here from you. Joseph

Linton
09-11-2008, 15:41
Does anybody know where vessels damaged beyond repair in the war were beached in Malta ?

joseph bonnici
09-11-2008, 16:40
linton i only knew about the Talabot which was damaged in harbour and towed to MarsAXLOKK harbour and sunk there. other naval ships were sunk outside harbour .attached is a photo of Talabot

Linton
09-11-2008, 17:22
Joseph all the references to the submarines lost there say they were beached.Unfortunately they never say where!

joseph bonnici
10-11-2008, 11:45
bob this is where the barakka lift used to be (arrowed) i took this photo last week. Joseph

Batstiger
10-11-2008, 14:20
Thank you for that Joseph, I hope they sealed the gateway off at the top its a long drop !

Regards, Bob.

joseph bonnici
10-11-2008, 16:42
yes they fixed an iron frame from the inside , yes its a long drop . a couple of people have jumped from there along time ago, i won t do that for sure . by
Bob my friend , Joseph

upspirits
11-11-2008, 18:42
Joseph mate you are spot on about the Darts at the Black Cat bar, as i recall they were champions of malta 1974, i played many a game of darts there ,
In fact i had a thing going with the owners daughter.
Dave
Hi Son.....no don't panic...just that I was out there in 1955/56...and played darts at and for the black cat bar....never won any prizes or matches for that matter, but we had great fun. One of my messdeck buddies had a thing going with the daughters mother...daughter wasn't around then to my knowledge...Last time I was out there (holidaywise) I coudn't find the place..it seemed that everywhere was being 'developed'....upspirits

rumrat
12-11-2008, 13:45
The Black Cat bar is now a garage i was last there 2 years ago and went over to Senglia to have a look see but could'nt find it, I asked around a bit and one of the locals pointed it out nothing there now but yachts and pleasure craft.
Regards
Dave

upspirits
12-11-2008, 18:51
Thanks rumrat/dave...I have often wondered what happened to the Black Cat...we (Urania) had some good times there...the ones I can remember anyway...I suppose all good things have to come to an end...upspirits

oldsalt
17-11-2008, 12:59
I came across this post card showing HMS Inflexible at Malta. The information on the back of the card, briefly, says, Launched 1876, displacement 11,800 tons, guns 4x 16" rifled muzzle-loaders. 6 x 20 pounders. speed 12 knts. Her muzzle-loaders were the biggest ever in a RN ship, rate of fire , once in two minutes. Her sailing rig was fitted so that her sailors could join in evolutions with the rest of the fleet. The masts and sails were removed in 1885. A strange looking ship!

Batstiger
17-11-2008, 16:13
Isola Point 1880's.

Regards, Bob.

joseph bonnici
17-11-2008, 16:17
i never knew anything about the wreck, had now idea about this waterlighter maybe some of you know ,thanks , Joseph

joseph bonnici
05-12-2008, 14:41
Bob i did find another picture of the barrakka lift, somebody send it to me locally; hope you like it. HMS Forth in grand harbour, bye Joseph

SCRG1970
05-12-2008, 14:56
Joseph

An oppo of mine just returned from Malta said he heard a rumour ( locally?) that the Barraka lift was going to be replaced. As "our man on the spot " is that liable to happen ?

Regards

Gerry

Batstiger
05-12-2008, 16:44
Many thanks for that Joseph.
I have at present a contact in Malta who is trying to find out as much as he can about the Barracca so when he updates me I will post the findings on this thread.
Yes Gerry I too heard that the lift was going to be replaced, how true that rumour is remains to be seen.

Regards, Bob.

Linton
05-12-2008, 17:56
Joseph,Do you have any photographs of the former submarine base at lazaretto?I believe it is still intact but is the interior accessible?

joseph bonnici
06-12-2008, 13:08
linton to be honest i never went there, i think lately it was used by a shipping company for stores etc, soon i try to go there and have some photos and post them in the forum ok bye , Joseph

joseph bonnici
06-12-2008, 14:17
here is a recent photo of lazzaretto creek hope you like it .Joseph

Rorqual
06-12-2008, 22:12
Superb thread and lots of memories .

Did a Med 9 months general service commission on the Delight 1959-60

Did a docking in Grand Harbour -- Barbary Coast ?
Did a maintenance period alongside Ausonia and Narvik
Manoel Island and the small ships canteen --had some good PU's in that place
with the crews trying to outdo each other with old songs etc.
Sleima Creek was our normal billet

Anyone got a map of the layout of Grand Harbour Lazaretto? Sliema etc
so I can get it all into perspective

Fred

joseph bonnici
07-12-2008, 08:39
Fred this is what i found for the moment, a 1948 pic . bye Joseph

Batstiger
07-12-2008, 10:35
Fred, this is an experiment, I hope it turns out alright.
My! My! haven't things changed?

Regards, Bob.

SCRG1970
07-12-2008, 14:46
Fred

This may stir up the old grey matter !!!

Regards

Gerry

Rorqual
07-12-2008, 21:41
I see I see said the blind man heheh! Thanks Lads .

Happy days really --home from home.

Snag is all we ever did was get a dhaigsa[excuse Diso spelling !!] or a garry or maybe a bus to the drinking /watering holes to - from and at Valetta .

Was on Hermes 62-63 and we always parked in Grand Harbour or Dockyard
Creek alongside .[think it was Dockyard creek -that side of the harbour anyway.]

Docked down in 1959 on Delight to repair the rudders and the collision damage after the cruiser Birmingham tried to sink us doing a mail transfer .
She had a steering failure. We went to Istanbul with no seaboat,one motorboat and the starboard STAAG deck sponson shored up .
Was docked for a couple of weeks so got to know a few different bars !!


Fred

Polycell
08-12-2008, 16:58
Some good piccies there.
Stood by Troubridge in refit 63 and 64 18 months in total sharing our time in St Angelo and Hal Far.
Used Baraka lift when I had to, chose the long way up in to Valetta if I was on my own. Remember the fare was something odd like a penny halfpenny.
We watched one day when the lift with about three Yanky matlotes came to an abrupt halt three quarters of the way up. One stupid Yank pinched the gate key of the lift driver and climbed out and up to the gardens!!
I remember Bobby and his days in the Galvanised donkey what a star he'd have won the X factor hands down!!

joseph bonnici
08-12-2008, 17:32
looking back i remember that time well. i was a painter apprentice and used to do all the damage control markings of the troubridge, i was 20 years old then. how time goes by . Joseph

Polycell
08-12-2008, 18:09
looking back i remember that time well. i was a painter apprentice and used to do all the damage control markings of the troubridge, i was 20 years old then. how time goes by . Joseph
Small world Joe I was 20 in 1964. I enjoyed my time on Troubridge especially the 'banter' we had with the Maltese dockies the welders in particular whilst we were 'fire watching'

joseph bonnici
09-12-2008, 11:14
Polycell you re the same age as me, i was born in february 1944, what a coincidence, i think you enjoyed some good local wine when you was here in Malta. im posting 3 photos thanks Joseph

Rorqual
09-12-2008, 23:28
I think the cheap local wine was Marsovin ??

The beers I think were '' Hopleaf'' and ''Blue label'' It was all bottled
in those days -or cans .


Fred

joseph bonnici
10-12-2008, 07:59
Fred yes there was cheap wine like marsovin but what i meant was the home made one, it was very strong, apart from hopleaf and blue label there was the cisk lager, the 3 most popular local beers at that time ,now there s a lot of imported beers. bye Joseph

nogrub
26-12-2008, 10:20
Joseph.

I believe the local brew was called Ambeet, also Amtoot, it was usually sold in draught form.
A Gin bottle full cost 6p old money, a run ashore for 2 could be as cheap as 1 shilling and sixpence, the dearest item being a bottle of Pepsi cola, which appeared to be the best mixer.

Best Regards

Harry30255

Batstiger
26-12-2008, 10:40
You are spot on there Joseph. They reckoned if you drank enough of it , not only did you get the DT's you went blind as well.
Before Pepsi was introduced to the island it used to be flavoured with orange juice. Very rarely was it drunk NEAT!

Bob.

joseph bonnici
26-12-2008, 11:22
Harry the locol wine is called INBID (I-N- B-E-E-T) not AMBEET (nearly there).the other word AMTOOT just could nt get it. Bob they used to flavour it with coke but mostly with lemonade nowadays. i used to drink it neat but just one glass the most.they say if you mix it you can t get the best out of it. well happy new year to all of you. bye Joseph

nogrub
27-12-2008, 10:26
I have no doubt you are the right about the name of your local wine.
Ambeet / Amtoot was most probably,service names for it. If you Inquire in Google about Ambeet wine, it is quite interesting and the slang goes back beyond the 40s. If my memory is correct another wine was called Farmers,(at least the label read Produce of Malta G.C). I bought a bottle of it at Lyons Corner house in London in the early 60s.
I am sure I used to drink Anchor beer, and Biter beer (Red Label). Regards Harry

joseph bonnici
27-12-2008, 12:51
Harry you re right about farmers wine and the beers you mentioned. marsovin was another good wine .the google site was very interesting. on which ships did you served when you were in malta? bye Joseph

nogrub
27-12-2008, 13:36
Joseph.
The ships I served on in Malta G.C.were.
HMS Cumberland (3 trips of 6 months)
HMS Urania
HMS Eastbourne
HMS Hardy
I also did a 2 year married accompanied draft at, HMS Phonecia, which included a short stop at M'sida Base.
I loved Malta and had a lot of friends there, who I kept in contact with, for a long time,unfortunately they have all passed away.

Regards

Harry

joseph bonnici
27-12-2008, 18:40
hello Harry i only remember hms Eastbourne in Malta. attached are 2photos of cumberland in Malta and one of hms Phoenicia. bye my friend Joseph

rumrat
29-12-2008, 13:28
Found this Newpaper Clipping on shipsnostalgia throught someone might be interested.
Dave

rumrat
29-12-2008, 13:32
EASTBOURNE Coming up astern of CARYSFORT in Grand Harbour.

Regards
Dave

nogrub
29-12-2008, 13:44
Dave

A nice Photo of HMS Eastbourne, The Times of Malta cuttings, were interesting, for which I thank you very much, a lot of people dont realise how stormy and cold it can be there.

Happy New Year.

Regards

Harry

rumrat
29-12-2008, 14:18
I remember the weather very well it used to be the wind that got to me it was always so windy in the autum.

Here's a couple of shots of CARYSFORT
No1 Turning into dockyard creek Grabd Harbour on her way out the Far East in 1964
No2 and paying off on her way home in 1966.
Regards
Dave

Batstiger
29-12-2008, 14:34
Two good pics Dave. Nice shot of the Barracca lift.

Cheers, Bob.

rumrat
29-12-2008, 14:43
You seem to have a thing for that old lift mate.
Dave

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
12-01-2009, 18:38
HMS OCEAN - Sunday Divisions, Grand Harbour, August 1946

USS LITTLE ROCK - Grand Harbour 1946

Terrific 'atmosphere' picture of Ocean, very pleased to see a picture like this of my first ship.

Batstiger
12-01-2009, 19:18
What lift Dave?

joseph bonnici
13-01-2009, 07:47
Bob that s a good pic, never seen that before thanks , Joseph

joseph bonnici
14-02-2009, 09:44
GRAND HARBOUR breakwater to be reconstructed.it was completed in 1906 and was destroyed in 1941 in an attack by the italian navy. it will cost about 2.8 million euros .Joseph

oldsalt
14-02-2009, 19:25
Great pic. of the lift, I believe it has now been dismantled, is that correct.

Lancastrian
28-02-2009, 07:36
The lift was completed in 1905. It ceased to operate in 1973 and was dismantled in 1983.
Just a reminder of the refreshments, and what was left of the Gut in 2007.

Lancastrian
28-02-2009, 10:41
TOTEM Leaving Grand Harbour 1957

Dave

Actually in Marsamxett Harbour, passing Lazaretto Creek on her way to Forth in Msida Creek.

Lancastrian
28-02-2009, 10:57
dave since 1979when malta became a republic the dghajsa began to dissapear. the naval was nt anymore . there s still a couple operating for tourists but seldom used. some of them are still competing for the annual santa maria convoy races in grand harbour. Joseph

I think there has been a slight revival in the dghajsa trade lately. This in Dockyard Creek 2008.

Lancastrian
28-02-2009, 12:30
Superb thread and lots of memories .

Anyone got a map of the layout of Grand Harbour Lazaretto? Sliema etc
so I can get it all into perspective

Fred

Map from about 1970.

Rorqual
01-03-2009, 01:01
thanks for that Lanc's

Spent many happy days and nights in that Locality ----when I was a lot younger.:):)


Fred

Macadian
01-03-2009, 19:26
Here's a puzzler for some of you. I dug this slide out earlier today, you know, the boxes that have been gathering dust for the past three decades or so.

I took this picture of Grand Harbour. I think it was 1966...I was a stoker on a GMD, and the view shows either the Eagle or the Ark in the background and a Tiger Class cruiser in the foreground. I think it must be the 'Tiger as later in '66' she went in Dockyard hands for conversion, as did Blake later.

What do you think? As I say, the ships concerned are nothing but an educated guess and I may well we be quite wrong!

http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk431/macadian/valleta-Malta-opt.jpg

Krieg1981
01-03-2009, 21:24
I believe the cruiser is the HNLMS De Ruyter of the Netherlands. The carrier is a bit blurry for me, It's Eagle I think(I'm pretty sure thats a type 984 3-D radar on the Island):)

tonclass
02-03-2009, 00:19
A full-sized version would help a great deal Mac. Yours is so small I couldn't work out there was a ship in the background 'IN THE FIRST PLACE' !!

Macadian
02-03-2009, 01:37
A full-sized version would help a great deal Mac. Yours is so small I couldn't work out there was a ship in the background 'IN THE FIRST PLACE' !!

Tisk, Tisk...that's a little extreme. I can recommend a good optician! ....Seriously, shot taken was with a standard 35mm camera with no telephoto lens etc so this is about as good as it gets.

http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk431/macadian/valleta-Malta-opt-1.jpg

Batstiger
02-03-2009, 15:42
Nothing special, just a nice picture of Grand Harbour.

Bob.

oldsalt
02-03-2009, 16:34
Yes, Bob, I agree, a nice shot from an unusual angle.

harry.gibbon
18-03-2009, 18:25
Here is a very interesting gathering of ships,of course there is "CAMPERDOWN"is in the foreground ,but the other,s in the background ,i have no idea.

cylla

I wonder if amongst the american style destroyers there was the William R. Rush on which myself and several others off the Camperdown spent an exchange day whilst at anchor in the creek... 1960-1961 1st DS ... Solebay Capt D Saintes and Finesterre making up the others... the Camperdown was the 'canteen boat'

Capt. D hit the Jutland I think it was on his attempt to moor to the buoy on our day of arrival.

Harry

Dave Hutson
20-03-2009, 16:22
Hi Bob, Great pics and memory stirrers of Malta. I was looking for the Gypo Queen with Tiny the big Cop standing outside the Toilets but probably the sign is well faded [it was in '98] and Tiny is possibly long gone. Recognised the Silver Horse or the "Galvanised Donkey" as we Lascaris guys knew it. The photo of the Type 15's in Sliema Creek confirms the one in the middle is the 'Fighting 141'.
Regards.
Dave

Dave Hutson
20-03-2009, 16:49
Hi Joseph and Mac,
Another big trip down memory lane,
Joseph - your shot of HMS Phoenicia entrance brings back many memories. I lived on Manoel Island for 18 months in 58/59 in the new accommodation blocks and revisited in the late 90's to be sadly disappointed at the delapidated condition of the whole area. The only part of the old MFCDT [Med Fleet Clearance Diving Team] facility still standing was the Urinals. On local brews in the late 50's there was a Bar called ""Tony's Hole In the Wall"
situated on the route Msida-Valletta at the bottom of the hill before going up to Floriana. It was a ruin and the entrance was the remains of an arch - strictly no smoking in the bar because the brew was roughly 40% Colliero's Golden Wine 40% Meths 20% Lemon Juice and chopped lemons in the cleanest galvanized baths you ever saw. Six old pennies a big one [pay weeks only], Three old pennies a small one [blank weeks]. How on earth did our liver's survive. A regular haunt for those who knew it was there.

Mac - Your second photo did it for me - I agree the De Ruyter - her pennant numbers are white on the bow - the Carrier - no guesses.
Thanks guys.
Dave H

Dave Hutson
20-03-2009, 17:04
Hi Harry,

I remember Bobby moving to Plymouth and met him a few times when he was playing piano at the pub at the bottom of my road. "The Ferry Inn" in Saltash Passage [Plymouth Side]. He sadly crossed the bar a few years ago.
Sugar bought a Bar in Gibraltar but the last time I was there it had changed hands [no pun intended] with no trace of Sugar.

As for Yorkie's off Manoel Island Bridge - Anyone visiting ask if I can have my watch back. Yorkie used to sub the Phoenicia lads blank weeks - that being the reason we all had two watches - one for time and one for decorating Yorkie's wall.

Anyone remember "Chez Venci's" in Floriana.

Regards

Dave

harry.gibbon
27-03-2009, 22:56
Cylla,

My belated observed ... Camperdown in the foreground!!!...

As ever, being the canteen boat, we inevitably... last in - first out!!!!

Still; we had a fine skipper; one Cdr 'Revs' Risden so called because (it is said) that on any occasion when given 'independent command' - or 'make own way independently' we would connect both boilers and do a fairly high speed dog-leg to the point of destination, rather than cruise at most economical speed. Thus the apt name greyhounds of the ocean.

I can't imagine what repercussions that would have with today's thinking.

Little h

joseph bonnici
02-04-2009, 10:54
41468you love to se e barakka lift .don t know if you have one like it Joseph

Batstiger
02-04-2009, 11:49
Thanks for that Joseph I do have it.
Here's another of Sliema creek although I don't know what Portsmouth united has to do with it!

Bob.

tonclass
02-04-2009, 14:48
Bob, Portsmouth United was a brewery If I remember correctly.

Batstiger
02-04-2009, 20:25
Thanks for that Rik, I didn't know that.

Bob.

Batstiger
05-04-2009, 11:59
Futher to Joseph's post an item of interest.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090327/local/march-2011-completion-date-for-euro-2-million-barrakka-lift

Regards, Bob.

Batstiger
14-04-2009, 11:27
Here is an interesting shot of the Barrakka lift taken during the war.The photographer was the father of a friend of mine and was a stoker on the trawler HMS Westray.Whether he was on the Westray when this picture was taken I do not know but I will be showing a couple more of his pictures later on.
There are some interesting vessels up the creek, no doubt the experts will be able to tell us more about them!

Cheers, Bob.

Batstiger
14-04-2009, 18:45
A Picture from the same source showing the Warspite in Grand Harbour with the Battlecruiser Renown in the back ground.
This picture is a little different to the usual ones of the Warspite that we see in Grand harbour.

Cheers, Bob.

Batstiger
14-04-2009, 18:50
HMS Nelson and HMS Malaya in Grand harbour with two London class cruisers.

Bob.

Ernest H
24-04-2009, 02:31
wonderful pictures; has anyone got any from 1950-51? I was a 4-year old at this time living with my parents in one of the flats at the top of the pic. Like any 4-year old memories are very sketchy. I am told my favourite pastime was sliding down the stairs with the daughter of one of my father's friends in the laundry hamper (dont see them anymore!). There was a huge, to me, model of the leaning tower of pisa in the entry-way, made of wood and paintred green, why?. My father was flotilla gunnery officer in Chequers, i can remember rowing across the creek with him to the old morris 10 he had on the opposite side which seemed to have half the engine on the front seat, later i understood it was only the head and he was doing a routine de-coke (another thing no one needs to do these days).
It was at this time I managed to catch polio, Chequers was then at the head of the Persian Gulf trying with her sisters to shake a stick at the Iranians so they wouldnt nationalise the oil refinery at ibadan. I think Mike Townsend was Captain D,.They did it anyway. Later i was in Bhighi hospital, remember the floating dock outside and then flying home with my mother in an Avro York full of wounded soldier from Korea.
Later in 1956 he was back with the 4th DF as Capt of Corunna; when he recorded his memories for the book just begfore he died he ran thru all the wheel and revolutions orders for approaching Sliema "con brio" for me. These details are what makes history alive.
There is a story of one of his first attempts to impress with Corunna by thundering up to the buoy astern and hoovering the buoy-ropes that the previously thoughtless occupant had left unbrailed and in the water, round both screws. It took hours of discreet unravelling in the dark to regain composure. but brio there was aplenty, no one appreciated caution in those days (so i'm told)
tim
tim

Hi Tim, We have sent posts to each other before. I well remember the time on Cheiftain together with your dads ship Chequers going up to Abadan at the mouth of the Persian Gulf during the Persian oil dispute(now Iran) they only had a few old minesweepers, and we soon sorted them out. Our skipper at the time was a Commander Morgan Giles, you dad must have have known al the other officers in the destroyer fleet including Prince Plillip who I beleive was the first lieutenant on Chequers. Ernest.

tim lewin
24-04-2009, 04:49
Thanks Ernest, he did indeed know HRH, in fact they were old friends by then having been midshipmen together in Valiant in 1940/1 after which they went to different ships. Prince Philip went, i think to Wallace (V&W) on east coast convoys, dad went first to Highlander but caught diptheria and after recovery transferred to Ashanti. Ashanti spent quite a lot of time in and out of Immingham between Kola convoys and so when Wallace was there as well they used to meet for a pint. Prince Philip was the Jimmy of Chequers in 1950. Here is a pic of them both with Prince Philip presenting the colours to his wife, dad is in the background, I think the Admiral might be Guy Grantham. I would very much welcome any other memories you might have on this period being a bit new on the scene myself at the time!
all best
tim

Pelican
24-04-2009, 15:28
wonderful pictures; has anyone got any from 1950-51? I was a 4-year old at this time living with my parents in one of the flats at the top of the pic. Like any 4-year old memories are very sketchy. I am told my favourite pastime was sliding down the stairs with the daughter of one of my father's friends in the laundry hamper (dont see them anymore!). There was a huge, to me, model of the leaning tower of pisa in the entry-way, made of wood and paintred green, why?. My father was flotilla gunnery officer in Chequers, i can remember rowing across the creek with him to the old morris 10 he had on the opposite side which seemed to have half the engine on the front seat, later i understood it was only the head and he was doing a routine de-coke (another thing no one needs to do these days).
It was at this time I managed to catch polio, Chequers was then at the head of the Persian Gulf trying with her sisters to shake a stick at the Iranians so they wouldnt nationalise the oil refinery at ibadan. I think Mike Townsend was Captain D,.They did it anyway. Later i was in Bhighi hospital, remember the floating dock outside and then flying home with my mother in an Avro York full of wounded soldier from Korea.
Later in 1956 he was back with the 4th DF as Capt of Corunna; when he recorded his memories for the book just begfore he died he ran thru all the wheel and revolutions orders for approaching Sliema "con brio" for me. These details are what makes history alive.
There is a story of one of his first attempts to impress with Corunna by thundering up to the buoy astern and hoovering the buoy-ropes that the previously thoughtless occupant had left unbrailed and in the water, round both screws. It took hours of discreet unravelling in the dark to regain composure. but brio there was aplenty, no one appreciated caution in those days (so i'm told)
tim
tim
Tim my first ship was Pelican which I joined as a 16 yr old sparker on 5 Jul 50. She was leader of the 3rd F.S. Capt. Mark Bonham-Carter, the inner row in the Creek furtherest from Manoel Is. When she went home early 51, I transferred to Chequers 'Killer' Mike Townsend leader of 1st D.S. The Duke was Jimmey but requested a draft chit when he saw me and went to Magpie his first command, part of 3rd F.S. You are correct, Capt. Townsend, brother of the Wind Commander who wanted to marry P. Magaret, volunteered us for Abadan. We were all recalled onboard on the Sat, stored and armed ship, real ammo, and were on our way by Mon p.m. Got a 18k fine for exceeding the speed limit down the Canal. 6 hrs refuelling at Aden, glad I was'nt paying the bill. On round to the Gulf. 2 of us would lay off Abadan for 2 or 3 days whilst the other 2 were up at Basra and then swop over. Whilst at Basra we actually fried eggs on the upper deck to prove it could be done. The temp. was 141 degs. See elsewhere in Secret Navy Words re Basra runners. We were there for 6 weeks. No aircon. The idea was we would evacuate our nationals if trouble broke out but it did not. 2 of the other 3 were Chevron and Chieftan. And the 4th was??? I have a few fotos of Chequers including the ships company and some of her in dry dock off Grand harbour etc. etc. Queenie and the Duke used to come onboard to the cinema shows. Think 4th ship was Chivalrous? There is an excellent book on C Class Destroyers by Harold Cox. Gives history of all of them. ISBN No. 0 9523332 0 1. P.S. I also spent 14 days in Bhighi with sand fly fever. Lovely nurses. We were given a bottle of Guiness every evening because it had plenty of iron it!

tim lewin
24-04-2009, 16:42
I regret i was too young for the guiness; if you send me your email address I will send you the chapter in Richard Hill's book that covers this commission, just ask me for chater 3. I have never been back to Malta but i did manage to establish a memorial on Tower Hill in the City (London) to all who had participated in the Siege of 1940-43 and had the honour of entertaining HRH and the President of Malta to its dedication! I would love to see your pictures if you could send or post them on the forum. I will make it back one day, it seems that as we all get older we become more and more a prisoner of history, especially our own.
all very best
tim
PS. Did you come across a Lt. or Lt Cdr John Marrack then?

Pelican
26-04-2009, 22:29
On a lighter vein, who remembers Tony's bar on Sliema front, there was a framed picture on the wall showing two PO's who drank an enormous number of bottled beer( Cisks Blue Label?). Me & the wife went into Tony's about 12 yrs ago. Tony was still there, he made a rainbow cocktail for the mssus, the last coloured liqueur going to the bottom of the glass. I expect he has passed on by now, his conviction that he would see the return of rows of RN ships in Sliema Creek before he died, is never going to happen. :D:D:cool::cool:It was actually 38 bottles each. They agreed a draw. As an O.D. Tel I hardly believed that P.O.'S got up to such things, but at times tried to follow their example. Re the lift. Believe there was an article in the Telegraph (?) indicating a new lift will be built at a cost of over 2m, quite fancy from the artist's impression. E.U. money? Perhaps its main purpose is to get the illegals quickly from the harbour to their new quarters?

Pelican
26-04-2009, 22:44
Hello Tackline.

Yes I remember Bobby, Sugar, and Sonny, They moved from the Gut to Floriana in the early 50's. I was told that Bobby moved to Plymouth. I was also told that the Sparrow married a Chief Stoker, and they eventually emigrated to Australia.

Regards
Harry




Regards

Harry

That rings a bell. Good entertainment in Florianna after starting off down the gut. In my time 50-52, there was an american chef who did wonderful T bone steaks in Florianna. If we finished early we had a Garrey race back to Sliema or if late went back to good old Ted's down the gut who ALWAYS got you up earlier enough to get back on board via the bottom of the gut.

Pelican
26-04-2009, 22:59
You are spot on there Joseph. They reckoned if you drank enough of it , not only did you get the DT's you went blind as well.
Before Pepsi was introduced to the island it used to be flavoured with orange juice. Very rarely was it drunk NEAT!

Bob.The correct name was 'Glop.' Dont you lot remember the Glop cans, white enamel with a top which was held in place with a wire handle?

jonti
27-04-2009, 05:30
HI Dave H. Have just read your post of Mar 21 re:Tony's Hole in the Wall at the bottom of the hill from Floriana. In the 1950's this was a local for the few 'non-natives' on HMS Forth berthed in Msida Creek. 2 glasses of screech mildly diluted with lemonade would last hours for just pennies. And only a short walk back to the mess onboard. Better than playing endless games of 'uckers'. Rob T

Pelican
27-04-2009, 13:11
wonderful pictures; has anyone got any from 1950-51? I was a 4-year old at this time living with my parents in one of the flats at the top of the pic. Like any 4-year old memories are very sketchy. I am told my favourite pastime was sliding down the stairs with the daughter of one of my father's friends in the laundry hamper (dont see them anymore!). There was a huge, to me, model of the leaning tower of pisa in the entry-way, made of wood and paintred green, why?. My father was flotilla gunnery officer in Chequers, i can remember rowing across the creek with him to the old morris 10 he had on the opposite side which seemed to have half the engine on the front seat, later i understood it was only the head and he was doing a routine de-coke (another thing no one needs to do these days).
It was at this time I managed to catch polio, Chequers was then at the head of the Persian Gulf trying with her sisters to shake a stick at the Iranians so they wouldnt nationalise the oil refinery at ibadan. I think Mike Townsend was Captain D,.They did it anyway. Later i was in Bhighi hospital, remember the floating dock outside and then flying home with my mother in an Avro York full of wounded soldier from Korea.
Later in 1956 he was back with the 4th DF as Capt of Corunna; when he recorded his memories for the book just begfore he died he ran thru all the wheel and revolutions orders for approaching Sliema "con brio" for me. These details are what makes history alive.
There is a story of one of his first attempts to impress with Corunna by thundering up to the buoy astern and hoovering the buoy-ropes that the previously thoughtless occupant had left unbrailed and in the water, round both screws. It took hours of discreet unravelling in the dark to regain composure. but brio there was aplenty, no one appreciated caution in those days (so i'm told)
tim
tim

Tim herewith 3 fotos as promised. Chequers in Sliema Creek dressed overall. The starboard side gangway you see was for officers, the port one for the 'erks.' My mess was behind the first couple of portholes on the lower row nearest the bow. Chequers off Malta is firmly fixed in ye olde album even after nearly 60 yrs! Early superglue? The cap ribbon is the one I actually wore. Real gold thread. None of this nylon stuff. The ships company is at Istanbul in 51. The boys won the Boys Whaler race at the fleet regatta that year. I was stroke. I think the cup is among the silverware in front of the 'details' board. I wonder what that big fancy cup was? There is a CH in the background and possibly the Liverpool behind her. Apols for quality due to fotos age, my age and first try at attachments. Already had one go and lost the lot because I closed the tabs. So hope they appear this time. Mousey.

Pelican
27-04-2009, 15:10
Hi Harry,

I remember Bobby moving to Plymouth and met him a few times when he was playing piano at the pub at the bottom of my road. "The Ferry Inn" in Saltash Passage [Plymouth Side]. He sadly crossed the bar a few years ago.
Sugar bought a Bar in Gibraltar but the last time I was there it had changed hands [no pun intended] with no trace of Sugar.

As for Yorkie's off Manoel Island Bridge - Anyone visiting ask if I can have my watch back. Yorkie used to sub the Phoenicia lads blank weeks - that being the reason we all had two watches - one for time and one for decorating Yorkie's wall.

Anyone remember "Chez Venci's" in Floriana.

Regards

Dave

Dave, just going thru the threads trying to get up to date. Your last line caught my eye. Elsewhere I referred to T bone steaks in Floriana. I'm pretty sure that it was in Chez Venci's we had them? Was'nt it a black american chef? I'm talking early 1950's. Possibly ex USN? Lack of USN ships visiting Malta has been mentioned but I remember one of theirs, more like a troopship, packed with marines in Grand Harbour. We went on board for a look around and felt really sorry for them. Conditions were more like for a prison ship. We had a 'meal' on one of their large trays with depressions in it for the various items. Not impressed. Give me canteen messing any day even if we were down to hard boiled eggs at the end of the month. And it DID happen.

tim lewin
27-04-2009, 15:25
Many thanks, great pictures made even greater by your detailed memories, if you can manage the private message bit, send me your email address and I send you back the chapter on the Chequers commission. I think its too big to attach here.
All best
tim

Pelican
27-04-2009, 19:12
HI Dave H. Have just read your post of Mar 21 re:Tony's Hole in the Wall at the bottom of the hill from Floriana. In the 1950's this was a local for the few 'non-natives' on HMS Forth berthed in Msida Creek. 2 glasses of screech mildly diluted with lemonade would last hours for just pennies. And only a short walk back to the mess onboard. Better than playing endless games of 'uckers'. Rob TYes Jonti Screech was even worse than Glop. Never had either myself but observed the effects on others. Could be very sad if they went beyond the sample stage.

dayerb
27-04-2009, 20:23
Trev. and Brian ( Chieftain )enjoying a drink in the Naafi.

Pelican
29-04-2009, 12:43
Many thanks, great pictures made even greater by your detailed memories, if you can manage the private message bit, send me your email address and I send you back the chapter on the Chequers commission. I think its too big to attach here.
All best
tim
Tim no Chap 3 attached to yr email? Try again please. Tks David.

Rorqual
29-04-2009, 19:52
Trev. and Brian ( Chieftain )enjoying a drink in the Naafi.

Ashore in No.6's -----bad news for dhobey and ironing :)

I think we always had half sixes or waited till evening and went in half blues!


Fred

dayerb
30-04-2009, 07:57
Ashore in No.6's -----bad news for dhobey and ironing :)

I think we always had half sixes or waited till evening and went in half blues!


Fred

Cant think why we wearing them? must have been a reason! still they do look smart and that is my only photo in them, Happy Days,

oldsalt
30-04-2009, 17:01
In Tony's bar, Sliema front, there was a photo of two PO's who held the record for the number of bottles, Blue Label beer, drank in a specified time. Age I'm afraid has dimmed the exact number of bottles & the time taken, I wonder is that photo still there & does anyone remember the details?

Pelican
30-04-2009, 18:20
In Tony's bar, Sliema front, there was a photo of two PO's who held the record for the number of bottles, Blue Label beer, drank in a specified time. Age I'm afraid has dimmed the exact number of bottles & the time taken, I wonder is that photo still there & does anyone remember the details?

Dear Old Salt. I remember, or think I do, what you call a foto, as more like a sort of certificate. But what I am quite sure of it quoted 38 bottles each - they called it a draw. Ok. ?

Batstiger
30-04-2009, 20:42
I can't remember whether this one has been shown before or not.
The carrier USS JFK in familiar surroundings although changed somewhat since my last visit.

Cheers, Bob.

Pelican
30-04-2009, 21:16
I can't remember whether this one has been shown before or not.
The carrier USS K in familiar surroundings although changed somewhat since my last visit.

Cheers, Bob.

Excellent photo of what you might call a real flat top.

tim lewin
01-05-2009, 04:45
bit of a bigger target than Illustrious!

CYLLA
01-05-2009, 13:26
That boating lake ,don't look right clean,....excellent piccy tho

Cylla

Pelican
02-05-2009, 19:41
bit of a bigger target than Illustrious!

Poor old Illustrious. She was used for pilot training in the mid 50's. Spent much time in Irish Sea and English Channel. We got to know Bangor N.I. and Torquay quite well. I was told her flight deck was 'twisted' due to previous damage. I was on Obediant, chase/crash boat when I witnessed the attached from the flag deck whilst off watch. Never seen anything happen so quickly. One minute coming into land. Next a ball of fire. The pilot survived with either 1st or 3rd degree burns. Forget which. 2 days earlier I had gone up in a 2 seater! Anyone out there on Illustrious around that time? Would have been soon after the Coronation Review. For info the people of Lymington had contributed to Obediant during Warship Week etc. and we went there after the Review. Terrible. We were not allowed to buy a drink all the time we were there for 7 days and nights. Our HQ was a pub half way up the hill on the right. Name please?

Batstiger
02-05-2009, 20:12
Great Pictures, thanks for that.

Bob.

Pelican
02-05-2009, 21:45
Thank you Sir. As you may have gathered I am very proud of Pelican being my first ship ~ A wonderful bird is the Pelican, its beak can hold more than its belly can ~ I've been in hot water with the moderator for posting and creating incorrect threads, busted from P.O. to Killick and promoted again! But as she spent a lot of time in Sliema herewith her Badge, with thanks to Scratcher, I always think of it as the Crest. As I remember her, in Corsica. And after she was refitted for the S.A. station, note the double yards now and that little yardarm on the aft mast - whats going on there? With thanks to Gordon, whose first ship she also was about 5 yrs after me? We were both the 'battery kings' as boys. As far as I know she was the last ship in the navy with ALL WOODEN upper decks, which kept the dabtoes gainfully employed. In my time her stores space below was also wooden lined making for champion cockroaches which took part in the races held on the boys messdeck whilst the reels were being changed during the film shows. She had to go round to the dockyard every 6 months for fumigation.

astraltrader
02-05-2009, 21:54
Dave I dont know if you have seen it but I have this real photograph postcard of Pelican which I think shows her off well...

Pelican
02-05-2009, 22:09
Many thanks Mr. Moderator. No I have not seen that one of her going the 'other' way. Gordon will be interested. It was obviously after her refit prior to going down to the S.A. How on earth do you lot get these fotos? I was lucky to end up with anything. It was 127 film in my day. Just got a digital which I'm trying to get to grips with. Glad I'm off the norty boys list!

alanbenn
03-05-2009, 09:06
Mousey, nice photo's of Pelican. I already had those in my collection but one of yours is a better quality than mine.

Just to add to the mix here is the 4th photo I have of her, she is wearing the 'U' pennant number.


Regards
Alan

Mr Woo
03-05-2009, 09:26
In Tony's bar, Sliema front, there was a photo of two PO's who held the record for the number of bottles, Blue Label beer, drank in a specified time. Age I'm afraid has dimmed the exact number of bottles & the time taken, I wonder is that photo still there & does anyone remember the details?

I was in Tony's' Bar last month.

The photo of the two PO's is still there. I don't know who runs the bar now but I think it's still a member of the original family.

George

oldsalt
03-05-2009, 14:57
Thanks for that George, it's nice that something from the past is still there to be seen. Does Tony's successor make rainbow cocktails with the last ingredient sinking to the bottom of the glass ?:):)

Pelican
03-05-2009, 18:04
Mousey, nice photo's of Pelican. I already had those in my collection but one of yours is a better quality than mine.

Just to add to the mix here is the 4th photo I have of her, she is wearing the 'U' pennant number.


Regards
Alan

Many thanks Alan. Its interesting to see how she changed over the years. David

ivorthediver
04-05-2009, 08:28
Not sure if this is now a politicalycorrect comment to make but here go's

A few years ago now in another life , I was in a large hotel in Malta which had about a dozen guests in for breakfast [The Hotel was one of the best I had stayed in and was very comfortable]

I was eating my full English when a loud commotion broke out as a dozen or so guests from a country that we were at war with not that long ago.charged into the restaurant and pushed four tables together and formed a "beach head"

At this point a self elected member of the group in a loud and arrogant manor called over to the Head waiter to take there order in German.

The Head Waiter approached the party very calmly and being Maltese in appearance .....went up to the individual , leant over to him and said

"Good morning Sir, In my country we speak two languages when ordering meals , one is Maltese and our second is English and I would be pleased to take your order in either language "

What a put down.......for a few moments a stunned silence , then a rousing cheer from a small group of people which spread quickly.

At this point the individual stood up and said in English "Thank you may we order our meal please".?.. at which point the Head waiter spun around on his heels and went past us winking and up to the waiters and instructed them to attend to that group of guests .

We noted that for the rest of the week they were a well ordered and much quieter group of people, and I left him a large tip for his "services to humanity"
I have never forgotten the quiet and ordered manner in which he conducted himself and the pride he seem to have felt in reacquainting the
guest in question with good manners :)

Batstiger
04-05-2009, 15:50
Good story Ivor!

Do you remember the place when it was like this?

Bob.

ivorthediver
04-05-2009, 16:34
Good story Ivor!

Do you remember the place when it was like this?

Bob.

No can't say that I did , what part of Malta is this Bob, and when ?

oldsalt
04-05-2009, 16:50
I think the picture is from Bob's first commish in Malta.:):):D

ivorthediver
04-05-2009, 18:04
I think the picture is from Bob's first commish in Malta.:):):D


Did he start as a cabin boy then Keith ? :rolleyes:

Batstiger
04-05-2009, 22:07
I know I'm ancient but not that ancient!

All it says on the photograph is "Harbour in Malta in the late 1850's by Robertson and Beato"

That's the best I can do folks!

Cheers, Bob.

ivorthediver
05-05-2009, 05:12
I know I'm ancient but not that ancient!

All it says on the photograph is "Harbour in Malta in the late 1850's by Robertson and Beato"

That's the best I can do folks!

Cheers, Bob.


So thats before the lift was built then Bob ? :rolleyes:

Pelican
05-05-2009, 10:19
I know I'm ancient but not that ancient!

All it says on the photograph is "Harbour in Malta in the late 1850's by Robertson and Beato"

That's the best I can do folks!

Cheers, Bob.

An we all thought you were the Ancient Mariner ! Reincarnated of course.
Thanks for all the pleasure your fotos give. David

dayerb
05-05-2009, 13:32
Another photo from Malta in the 50`s I think its the Eagle note the Pinnace in the foreground?

Batstiger
05-05-2009, 16:28
It would be interesting to know where the steam picket boat came from?
As far as I can remember there were no ships with them in the fifties, it must have belonged a shore base to someone like the C in C.

Bob.

Batstiger
05-05-2009, 16:41
I have enlarged the picture but cannot make out the crest/flag on the pinnace's bow.
One thing is certain, the carrier is HMS Eagle.

Bob

oldsalt
05-05-2009, 17:19
That steam pinnace is a bit of a mystery. It must be one connected to some preservation society. The answer must be in Malta, I'd love to know who it belongs too.

Batstiger
06-05-2009, 16:59
A couple of enlarged pictures from the following site.

http://maltamemories.fotopic.net/c205256.html

Bob.

ivorthediver
06-05-2009, 17:50
Thanks for the pic's Bob,

O to be in Eddy's Cafe in Republic street right now...... with a cool pint !

Pelican
08-05-2009, 12:30
A couple of enlarged pictures from the following site.

http://maltamemories.fotopic.net/c205256.html

Bob.

2 Famous Streets. Perhaps you could enlarge them Bob?
David

tonclass
08-05-2009, 13:05
David, those sizes are great. They just need the background trimming.

tonclass
08-05-2009, 13:11
Pix with background removed.

Batstiger
08-05-2009, 16:56
Pix with a bit of ageing.
I don't remember the Kent Arms but I certainly remember the NEW Life.

Bob.

ivorthediver
08-05-2009, 17:17
Pix with a bit of ageing.
I don't remember the Kent Arms but I certainly remember the NEW Life.

Bob.


The one on the left looks like Republic Street [bus terminus end]

I have a sneaking suspicion where the other is located but have not been there yet.........

Pelican
08-05-2009, 17:34
David, those sizes are great. They just need the background trimming.

Sir Rik

If I only knew how ???

I've got Windows Vista for SENIORS but will have to get something more advanced. Appropriate as I was an A.C. Boy but obviously deserve to be 'back classed' now. Oh well one day. I can only aspire to yours' and Bob's high standards.

Finding 'stuff' for Tim about Chequers one LITTLE foto is driving me mad so I'll post it soon as Puzzle Picture in the C Class thread and hope someone will give me the answer.

David.

Batstiger
08-05-2009, 21:27
As I said in my PM David I'm at a dead loss with Vista, had you got XP I could have sorted you out.

Regards, Bob.

Pelican
08-05-2009, 21:48
Pix with a bit of ageing.
I don't remember the Kent Arms but I certainly remember the NEW Life.

Bob.

Who was your Dad ~ J. ARTHUR RANK? Well done Bob. Who's kidding who young Ivor? My favourite was much further down on a righthand corner. Look out for Obedient. I may be able to add to your collection(s)? Does not seem to be in any threads mentioning her name except my intro and a ref to New Zealanders being obedient? Will start a new thread tomorrow? Cheers David.
P.S. How about the G.C. in the display case?

tonclass
08-05-2009, 22:20
David, the photo problem is not with Vista, but the software you use to scan and manipulate your pix. If you scan to IMAGE like I mentioned last night, that is the first stage. Once you have your scanned pic on screen the software you use should allow you to set dpi rate and allow you to crop the photo. It all takes a load of trial and error, but you have come on leaps and bounds over the lat 48 hours.

Keep at it m8 :)

However there is a solution with Vista. Remote accessing. It allows another person to view your own machine (with permission) and guide you through the process. I've only done it once but it worked a treat.

astraltrader
08-05-2009, 23:29
David [Mousey] please see my PM to you!!

Pelican
09-05-2009, 10:28
Just a note to say 'thank you' to all those who are helping me re sizing of fotos, especially Rik and Terry, and for Bob's encouragement. I think the old saying - read, mark and inwardly digest - comes into play now. Especially the latter. I've even got the printer/scanner books out. One is over 50 pages and the other over 100. I feel I am back into crypto! Theres only one cook of the shack, dhobi walla, dusty miller and Capt's driver on this ship and he does not pay his tv lic. anymore so dont worry if I go quiet for a while. Hopefully I'm not in the sick bay but playing Drake's game in between times. Cheers everyone. David.

Pelican
09-05-2009, 11:13
David [Mousey] please see my PM to you!!
Terry just had a very quick go at following your instrs. Hope attached is better than my original effort - of course I wont see it until its posted. Many thanks. Will get back in the classroom soonest. David. P.S. Not bad eh - for starters - only took me 20 mins!

CYLLA
09-05-2009, 11:38
by heck ,Mousey, you have done a really great job with your piccy ....TOP MARKS ;)

You can give out the pencils tomorrow Dave ....looking forward to your other postings.

And we must not forget your tutor , Terry .:)


cylla

Batstiger
09-05-2009, 12:40
What a star!! Well done David. You are now a fully qualified member!!!!!
By the way is that the screen you were on about on "B" gundeck?


Bob.