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astraltrader
27-05-2008, 19:14
I recently came across some interesting pictures showing the Japanese in WW2. I have named a few of them but most of them I unfortunately have no details of. I will post a few of them here and if I get any sort of positive response will add to them...

astraltrader
27-05-2008, 19:20
And a few more - these have more of an Airwar theme...

astraltrader
27-05-2008, 19:28
And the last lot for now...

John Odom
27-05-2008, 21:54
Very interesting. I hope we get input from knowledgable persons.

John Odom

astraltrader
27-05-2008, 22:37
Thank you. I have supplied details for most of the aircraft [hover mouse over picture for information] but I know little about the Japanese Army photo`s...

Kevin Denlay
28-05-2008, 07:49
Excellent gallery of photos Terry!

K

astraltrader
28-05-2008, 23:58
I have plenty more to follow Kevin. Anyway next episode - I have no info on these at all so any comments are welcome...

astraltrader
29-05-2008, 00:09
And these as well...

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
05-03-2009, 20:02
Anything to do with these horrible swine has to be interesting. This thread should do well because, as I say, they are fascinating in their nastiness.
As an aside I believe that the people who received the least justice after the second world war were the Chinese. A little while ago I stumbled upon a site out of China with pictures of the rape of Nanking. I thought I knew something about this subject and we have all probably seen pictures, but this was the real thing. It was horror upon horror. I will stop now and I expect this will not be posted Terry. However please keep the pictures coming, they are great and very interesting. By the way, a very good friend of my family was a survivor of the Burmah Siam railway, my uncle was badly wounded at Kohima, I have some first hand accounts of those times.
Regards.

Tiornu
05-03-2009, 20:12
Hey, how did that American LST sneak in there?

designeraccd
05-03-2009, 20:37
You noticed, too....FALSE camo???! DFO :eek::D

designeraccd
05-03-2009, 20:52
Here are 2 pics of Oyodo, including the first one I ever saw of her: AFTER USN aircraft worked her over. Other one shows her standing by off stern of SINKING Zuikaku.....must transfer Emporer's portrait etc...the important stuff...........:rolleyes:


Also, old CL Kiso in 1942 before joining her "ancestors"; IIRC...wasn't she sunk by USN aircraft in Manila Bay? For good measure the "modernized"...how HIGH can we pile it...FUSO. DFO

John Odom
06-03-2009, 00:55
Beca: Please read the Atrocities thread at:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347

Including my posts in it. Every nation has done horible things. Yes, the Japanese did terrible things. I know, I went to school with the victims. I saw their scars and heard their stories.

The Japanese people of today are not anymore responsible for those atrocities than I am for the rape of Samar in the Philippines ordered by a US army General in the Philippine American War.

We must not nlame, but each live in such a way that we will not allow it to happen again. Hate is the problem, hating Japanese for what the Imperial forced did does not help.

CGRET
06-03-2009, 02:59
Here some others,

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1.) IJN Junyo, Signalman, Sasebo, Japan,1945
2.)IJN Zuikaku Admiral transferring flag
3.)IJN Zuikaku, Crew dumping ammo to counter list
4.)IJN Zuikaku, Crew saluting flag
5.)IJN Zuikaku, Final Banzi

Regards
Charles

mik43
06-03-2009, 15:56
Well said John, totally agree with your last para.
Mik

mik43
06-03-2009, 15:58
Meant to have added to the above post before I signed off - excellent pix Terry!!
Mik

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
06-03-2009, 19:52
I have plenty more to follow Kevin. Anyway next episode - I have no info on these at all so any comments are welcome...

It would be interesting to find out what picture seven from the left, top row, is.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
06-03-2009, 20:11
Beca: Please read the Atrocities thread at:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347

Including my posts in it. Every nation has done horible things. Yes, the Japanese did terrible things. I know, I went to school with the victims. I saw their scars and heard their stories.

The Japanese people of today are not anymore responsible for those atrocities than I am for the rape of Samar in the Philippines ordered by a US army General in the Philippine American War.

We must not nlame, but each live in such a way that we will not allow it to happen again. Hate is the problem, hating Japanese for what the Imperial forced did does not help.
Very nice sentiments sir and it would be a lovely world I agree if we could all live by them. However I also believe that some things should NOT be forgotten. Do you really believe that a nation that did what they did will really behave differently if they ever find themselves in the same position again?
Of course all nations have committed atrocites, no one will deny that. War is an atrocity, but for absolute cruelty they are right up there. You are obviously a good man, they would have eaten you!
Anyway, now is now, all I am saying is don't forget, walk quietly but carry a big stick! Oh hang on, who was it said that?

Mr John Odom, I have just read your history and your flag story. I now understand that you come from brave stock and that explains perhaps why you are able to say the things that you did, i.e. forgive and do not hate. I am afraid I am not as good a man as you sir, ANYONE who made my parents tremble in fear of their lives would not ever recieve my forgiveness. I am not a young man any more but I just cannot help but think that some things do not change. The bad ones ALWAYS mistake meekness for weakness and have to be slapped down.

John Odom
06-03-2009, 21:10
Becca: thanks for the kind words. I too believe we must always remember, AND carry a big stick. I just wanted to point out that today's Japanese as a whole are not the ones who did those terrible things. There are dangerous people among them who long for the glory days of the empire from the 1930s to 1944 or so. These individuals must be stopped. The Japanese people as a whole need to know what really happened.

In revolutionary Spain, my Daddy stood before the firing squad 3 times, but was always miraculously delivered. Terrible atrocities were committed by both sides. The Spaniards of today are not as a whole responsible.

I am a much happier man since God helped me get the hate out.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
06-03-2009, 22:56
Mr Odom.
All that you say of course makes sense, and would'nt it be lovely if loving your neighbour made everything in the world right.
However is not the Yasakuni Shrine as popular now as it ever was?
By the way, I did not say I hated all Japanese. I visited Japan while serving in the Royal Navy and met a delightfull Japanese girl, I still remember her name. I am not sure but I think that her father was a Japanese naval captain, and naval attache in London at the time. (I probably would'nt have liked him!)
Anyway sir, I am glad that you realised I was in no way trying to be offensive to you.
Regards,
Colin.

CGRET
07-03-2009, 05:46
These are some of the Japanese Aircraft in Terry's post,

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1.Mitsubishi A5M Allied Code Name "Claude" 1930 Carrier/land based Fighter.
2.Nakajima A6M2-N Allied Code Name "Rufe" A sea plane version of the Zero.
3. Yokosuka B4Y Carrier-Borne Torpedo Bomber of the 1930's.
4.Kawanishi E7K Allied code name "Alf" A reconnaissance seaplane
5.Mitsubishi F1M Allied code name "Pete" Observation Float Seaplane
6.Kawanishi H6K Allied Code Name "Mavis" Long range Maritime reconnaissance Flying Boat.

Regards
Charles

CGRET
07-03-2009, 05:54
Last but no least,

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The A6m2 Zero is the Japanese fighter that ruled the sky's in the Pacific area of WW2 until the arrival of the Hellcat. Even so this fiighter was still considered a serious threat in the hands of a capable pilot.

Regards
Charles

Tiornu
07-03-2009, 16:34
The Wildcat was a good match against the Zeke. I believe the head-to-head score for the first year of fighting was very nearly 1:1. However, given the planes' qualities, I'll bet the pilot fatalities were rather more skewed.

CGRET
07-03-2009, 17:41
Tiornu,

Yes, the Wildcat could hold it's own only in 2's and if the pilot's were savy.

Regards
Charles

Tiornu
07-03-2009, 18:42
Pilot quality was the most important asset for the Zekes early in the war. That's why the plane's limited survivability was so significant. In addition, a lot of the fighting in 1942 took the form of the Zekes coming to the Wildcats' front yard to play. A damaged Wildcat had much better chances than a damaged Zeke.
A single Wildcat could manage well enough against Zekes as long as it fought on its own terms, not in a slow, turning fight that favored the Zeke. The Wildcat could outrun and outdive a Zeke. Basic turn-and-burn versus boom-and-zoom.

astraltrader
07-03-2009, 20:29
The Wildcat offered the pilot the benefit of some armoured protection whereas the Zeke in common with other Japanese fighters went for lightness instead...

CGRET
07-03-2009, 21:41
Terry,

You are correct. But here is where the Wildcat got into trouble with the Zero's. The early war wildcat pilots would end up chasing the Zero into the vertical, thus the wildcat being heavier than the zero would stall first giving the zero the edge,thus the zero would have the kill. The wildcat having stalled took some time before the engine would power enough to lose the zero in the dive.

The Japanese pilot's figure this move out early in the Pacific War and used it to there advantage until the Allied pilot's caught on to this trick.

Regards
Charles

Togo
17-03-2009, 22:16
Terry,
Re. your photographs. Just found this thread and have been checking one or two.
1190807236852 is the heavy cruiser Aoba sunk near Nabe, south of Kure Naval Yard where she had been posted as an anti-aircraft battery.

1180794557417 and 1180795053366 are possibly of the same Landing Ship being fitted out. The rails in the deck were for Daihatsu landing craft to be slid off the stern but I do have a photo of Landing Ship No. 5 with a midget sub on her stern dated 1944.

Afraid I can go no further for now as most of my reference books are in boxes after a recent move.
Regards,
John.

Edit, 1176993206768 seems to be a heavy cruiser, one of the Mogami class, which is interesting to me as all my available references show a twin 25mm mounting on each side just abaft the funnel whereas your photo shows a triple mounting.
Thanks for the information.

Edit, It is Mogami herself, she was modified as an anti-aircraft cruiser from Sept. 1942 - April 1943 hence the upgrade of 25mm guns, so the photo was taken after the later date.

astraltrader
18-03-2009, 11:05
Many thanks for the additional info togo.

CGRET
21-03-2009, 15:26
Some more,

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Regards
Charles

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
02-05-2009, 03:13
The I-58, the boat that sank the USS Indianapolis.

BECA@CLEAR.NET.NZ
02-05-2009, 03:30
Our American friends had a hard row to hoe you must admit, and there were six million Japanese still under arms at the surrender I believe.

FlasherTM
22-02-2014, 21:55
Post #7

Pic #1...Looks like Soviet SS leading some DDs (Baltic or White Seas?)
Pic #2...CV-1 Langley with original Launch Ramp
Pic #3...Stbd Guns on an IJN CA (Nachi or Mogami class?)
Pic #4...?
Pic #5...Hulk of IJN DD Okinami postwar in Manila Bay (1945? 1946?)
Pic #6...?
Pic #7...?
Pic #8...Appears to be an IJN LST converted from a DD
Pic #9...IJN DD pierside

FlasherTM
22-02-2014, 22:13
Post #8

Pic #1...IJN Destroyer (DD)
Pic #2 ..IJN DD Yukikaze postwar in Tokyo (1947-Dec?)
Pic #3...Shokaku class stbd side funnels
Pic #4...IJN Cruiser (CA, possibly Mogami) refueling from an Oiler (AO) (1942-06-06.
Pic #5...IJN DD Main Gun postwar (USTMTJ 1945)
Pic #6...IJN LST landing Tanks
Pic #7...1930s CA Aoba hoisting out her Floatplane
Pic #8...1942-11-14 CA Takao, 2 other CAs & a BB seen from CA Atago heading for Guadalcanal.
Pic #9...1945-10-09 CA Aoba (sunk by USN Carrier aircraft at Kure 1945-07-24 to 28).
Pic #10..IJN BBs in line ahead (1942-03-30 Stariing Bay, Celebes? 1942-05 part of Yamamoto's Main Body heading for Midway? 1944-10-22 part of Kurita's Center Force departing Brunei Bay?).
Pic #11..1945 wrecked IJN Target Ship Hayasui
Pic #12..IJN Auxiliary ship
Pic #13..IJN DD firing
Pic #14..IJN ship with Crew exercising

BlackBat242
23-02-2014, 07:29
Post #7

Pic #2...CV-1 Langley with original Launch Ramp


Sorry, no. USS Langley had a full-width flight deck at the bow from her commissioning as a carrier (before that she was a collier with no flight deck at all).

That is a picture of a temporary take-off ramp for US Army observation aircraft mounted on an LST (Landing Ship, Tank).

"While in the Mediterranean, Seabees converted LST-906 into a makeshift aircraft carrier sporting a custom-built mesh airstrip above deck. She was the base for 6 USAAF L-4B Grasshoppers flown as artillery spotters for the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division during the Invasion of southern France in September 1944. LST-906 was one of six LSTs so converted.
(The others being USS LST-16, USS LST-158, USS LST-337, USS LST-386, and USS LST-525. See Rottman, Gordon L.; Tony Bryan (2005). Landing ship, tank (LST) 1942-2002. Oxford: Osprey. p. 47. ISBN 978-1-84176-923-3. OCLC 61879311, p. 47)"

Over Iwo Jima, Marine OY-1's flew off of the LST 776, and then at Okinawa, Army L-4's operated from her flight ramp.

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/odd/index3.htm

Brian Wentzell
23-02-2014, 23:01
Jon: You used the phrase "take-off ramp" in your post and, by the looks of the arrangement of the ramp, it was intended to be a one way trip for the plane and crew. Was it intended that they land at an expeditionary airfield or simply ditch and swim?
Brian

Don Boyer
23-02-2014, 23:02
They would land elsewhere, of course. The USN has never been keen on the "ditch and swim" concept! :)

BlackBat242
24-02-2014, 03:01
Nor has the US Army, whose aircraft those were.

They were part of an amphibious landing, and the aircraft were intended to take off, fly observation/naval bombardment control over the invasion beach, and then land on a newly-prepared temporary strip on or near the beach, from which they would continue to operate until a more finished strip could be prepared for both these and fighter aircraft.

The fighters were staged on escort carriers, and only took off after the improved strip was ready.

Scatari
24-02-2014, 03:11
They would land elsewhere, of course. The USN has never been keen on the "ditch and swim" concept! :)

Unlike the British "CAM (Catapult Aircraft Merchant Ship)" ships where, after a mission, "... the fighter pilot would bail out or ditch in the ocean near the convoy and be picked up by the nearest escort vessel if all went well"

I have always thought that these pilots must have been some of the bravest men in the RAF.

Vegaskip
24-02-2014, 11:31
The Brodie System, was used operationally when they found and spotted for a suicide motor boat base bombardment.
Jim