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bob shayler
06-05-2008, 17:47
This outstanding preserved example of a Steam Pinnace is currently moored at Fort Blockhouse, Gosport (formerly HMS Dolphin, the Submarine base).
She was built in 1911 at Samuel White’s yard at Cowes on the Isle of Wight. By 1914, she was one of 634 examples on the Navy List. She is thought to have been one of two allocated to HMS Monarch as a guard ship. In 1918, a counter stern and brass funnel was added and she changed role to an Admirals barge.
Following Monarchs de-commissioning in 1925, she was used as a harbour launch and a tender to the Royal Naval Hospital at Netley. Sold off in 1949, she was stored at Weevil Creek in Gosport.
Sold again in 1952, she was used as a houseboat on the Thames and renamed ‘Ttreleague’. The voyage to the Thames is fully documented in Commander Stapleton’s book on Steam Pinnaces. She remained on the Thames for a number of years, her condition steadily deteriorating. Her steam engine was removed and replaced by a petrol engine (sacrilege), eventually being sold for the princely sum of £5:00 to an antique dealer.
Restoration was commenced but funding was inadequate. She was eventually acquired by the Royal Navy Museum in 1979 for restoration by the Steam Launch Restoration Group in Gosport. She was fitted with a Pinnace boiler and compound engine from a similar vessel donated by the Royal Navy engineering branch at HMS Sultan, Gosport. The Maritime Workshop now have responsibility for her maintenance, manning and management.
Re-commissioned in 1984, she was used as VIP transport and moored in the Mast Pond in Portsmouth Historic Dockyard. Remaining there until 1998, she was again sent to the Maritime Workshop for a complete re-fit. Steam Pinnace 199 is believed to be the last remaining naval steamboat and is listed in the National Historic Ships Register as a designated vessel.

Engine:

Two cylinder compound made by Mumford around 1920.
Cylinder sizes, 6 ½ and 13 inches by 8 inch stroke.
624 rpm producing 162 hp.

Operation:

Engine manned by engine room stoker responding to bell signals from the coxswain in the steering position. The signal code is:

One bell – stop.
Two bells – ahead.
Three bells – astern.
Four bells – ease engine revs.

The engine room also houses the main condenser which converts the waste steam back into water for the boiler, circulating sea water for cooling the condenser and two engine driven feed pumps for maintaining the water supply to the boiler.
Boiler:

Housed in a separate compartment to the engine.
Type: Three drum Yarrow built by the Thames Iron Works in 1898.
Converted from coal to oil firing in the 1920’s.
Laidlaw Drew burner fuelled by paraffin.
Operating pressure of 140 – 160 psi reached in 2 hours.
Mumford donkey pump used for bilge pumping any of the five compartments and pumping feed water from the tanks or hot wells into the boiler as and when needed.

Armament:

Hotchkiss 3 pdr gun built in 1887.
Re-proofed, 1945.
Previously fitted to an armed yacht sunk later that year and salvaged from a trawlers nets in 1980.
When armed, Pinnaces were known as Picket boats to protect capital ships against torpedo attack. Their speed and quick firing made them a formidable adversary in the 1880’s – 1890’s.

Other armament:

One light Maxim machine gun fitted onto the cabin roof.
Rifles stowed in after cockpit.
Two torpedoes occasionally carried in racks on either side of the hull.

Note: Could it have been one of these vessels that was observed 100 feet in the air, upside down, when HMS Queen Mary exploded ?

Regards,
Bob

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Batstiger
06-05-2008, 19:25
Here's a nice picture of a steam pinnace amongst the Nelson's secondary armament.

Bob.

bob shayler
06-05-2008, 19:35
Thanks for that Bob,
A brilliant photo. I think small vessels like this have lots of character. Saw 199close up a few years ago when she visited Explosions Museum in Gosport and they gave everyone a guided tour.
My son-in-law took the one I posted as he works at Fort Blockhouse near to where 199 is moored. He is going to take some more today,
regards,
Bob

John Odom
06-05-2008, 19:47
There is nice material on her at the RN museum site:

http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/index.htm

bob shayler
10-05-2008, 19:21
Hi everyone,
More photo's of this great little vessel,
regards,
Bob

Batstiger
09-06-2008, 16:00
C in C Malta.

Joseph
09-06-2008, 16:17
Superb, I have admirred her in the Mast pond At Pompy many times.

Regards Charles

bob shayler
09-06-2008, 19:06
Thanks for your photo Bob. Glad you liked the post as well Charles, she is a brilliantly preserved example,
regards,
Bob

Plumber03
09-06-2011, 10:11
Thought an update on Steam Pinnace 199 might be of general interest. She has just been out of the water (May/June 2011) at Trafalgar Wharf, Portchester (the old Vospers' Yard) to touch up the antifoul, sides and other paintwork ready for a shortened 2011 season. Her 10-year boiler certification expires this summer when she was due for some fairly major work - boiler and engine out, refit their wooden bearers and some work on the keel.
She was looking good when she left Trafalgar Wharf after a lot of hard work by Group 199 volunteers who operate and maintain her. Photos attached - she has her funnel and gun removed at this point for cleaning.
Sadly the next day she failed her annual boiler certification when a major tube leak was detected. At least better then than underway steam conditions! This means she will now be out of action this season until the boiler has been refitted. This also meant a short notice cancellation of our appearence at the Old Gaffers meet at Yarmouth, IoW. Our apologies for that.
We are hoping to have her towed alongside in Portsmouth Dockyard for the Museum's centenary celebrations 28 June - 1st July. Actual dates to be confirmed.
We are always looking for new volunteers - contact can be made through the Royal Naval Museum, Porytsmouth which is now part of the National Museum of the Royal Navy, who own her. Naval, engineering or shipwright background ideal but not essential - just lots of enthusism for brass polishing needed!
I email a monthly newsletter related to 199 and capital ships and events of her period to Group 199 volunteers and other interested friends and supporters.

Group 199 Membership Secretary

John Odom
09-06-2011, 11:23
Thanks for the report. I hope you can sometime post pictures of the boilers and machinery. I am a member of a local blacksmith club that meets at a steam railroad museum shop. I love anything steam!

Plumber03
09-06-2011, 14:24
Happy to be of help - selection attached.

I've added in one of the 3pdr Hotchkiss being fired - we use a theatrical thunderflash - loads of smoke, bang and flash.

Plumber03
26-07-2011, 08:49
C in C Malta.

Batstiger - I was intrigued by your very sharp photo of an admiral's barge titled "C-in-C Med". A colleague who is an acknowledged expert on pinnaces tells me: "The picture is one of two originally published by Wright and Logan in Southsea, both showing the admirals steam barge based in Portsmouth which was used by royalty and VIP's before WW II.

Both pictures show her in 1934 off Whalley Steps in Fountain Lake. The objects in the background are the old floating dock and associated structures.

Admirals steam barges evolved in the 1880's rather earlier than steam picket boats and were quite the most handsome design used by the navy. They never carried a gun, always used teak skylights with a handrail forward and of course carried larger stern cabins and a counter stern. hey were slower than picket boats however.

This boat was bought by Barry Millership after the war and in 1985/90 was being restored by Barry in our yard. He lived in Essex however and progress was necessarily slow. Eventually she found a berth at the Motor Boat museum at Pitsea before being donated (?) to the Royal Yacht Britannia. There she was totally neglected in a deserted area of Leith Docks for some ten years before being sent down to the Maritime Workshop once again for breaking up. A very sad end to a once beautiful vessel."

Hope that's of interest. I must admit I thought the background looked liked Fort St Angelo having spent a year out there in the early 60s.

Plumber

Plumber03
02-02-2012, 16:39
Another update on steam pinnace 199. We have been lucky enough to have obtained a Heritage Lottery Fund grant plus further funds from the Friends of the National Museum of the Royal Navy (Portsmsouth) and others. The plan is for 199 to be lifted out at the Maritime Workshop in Gosport later in Feb 2012 for work on her boiler, engine and hull.
We will be open to visitors by arrangement and are also offering presentations locally on 199 - her background, history and Group 199 who operate her.
We are delighted to hear from anyone who would like to volunteer to help - engineering or shipwright experience a bonus but not essential - just some time and enthusiasm needed.
You can make contact with Group 199 through the museum.

cockneydruid
01-05-2012, 12:42
Hi all,

Have just seen this thread and thought I would mention that Commander Martin Marks OBE Royal Navy will be giving a talk - Steam Pinnace 199 - The story of a 101 year old naval gunboat - on Thursday 3rd May at Gosport Discovery Centre, 7.30-8.45pm.

Tickets are priced at £3 (£2 concessions) and are available from Gosport Discovery Centre.

seaJane
01-05-2012, 13:37
Whoo! Thanks for the heads-up - I will be there!

eskimosailor
01-05-2012, 16:13
Whoo! Thanks for the heads-up - I will be there!
Already have my ticket.
Steve

seaJane
10-05-2012, 21:06
I got mine too, went with other half and very much enjoyed ourselves. Also went to the open day at Marine Engineering on the Saturday, to see her out of the water: here are some photos.

eskimosailor
11-05-2012, 04:49
I got mine too, went with other half and very much enjoyed ourselves. Also went to the open day at Marine Engineering on the Saturday, to see her out of the water: here are some photos.

I'm sorry that I could not make the Saturday visit, but the talk was most interesting. Thanks for the pictures. She looks a lot tattier than I was expecting.
Steve

seaJane
11-05-2012, 10:49
They have stripped all the paint off to replace some of the wood, and there are still messy jobs to do such as restoring rusted ironwork, so I expect new paint and polish will be left till the last minute.

Because I was standing where I was neither of my deck shots took in the wheelhouse, oops.