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herakles
25-04-2008, 06:08
This morning I had the privilege of participating in two ANZAC Day Dawn Services, at Gallipoli and in France. By means of my satellite connection.

Gallipoli

This is held at ANZAC Cove by the sea. Around 10,000 people attend this service each year, mostly Australians. Representatives of all the countries involved were present. Britain was represented by the First Sea Lord. The catafalque party consisted of men from each of the Australian armed services and one from New Zealand.

During the service, Mustafa Kemal's magnificent words were spoken by a Turkish officer in Turkish then by another Turkish officer in English:

"Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives...
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country,
therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Jonnies
and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side.
Here in this country of ours...
You, the mothers,
who sent their sons from far away countries
wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bosom
and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
become our sons as well."

Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

ANZAC Memorial, 1934.

In an address, Mr Fitzgibbon (Defence Minister of Australia) said Australians stood in awe of the commitment and courage exhibited by the diggers as well as their enemy, the Turks, who were defending their homeland.

"Here they fought a brutal and ugly war, remembered as much as anything for the strategic mistakes of its leaders and the high human costs of victories and defeats alike," Mr Fitzgibbon said.

"They were doing something they really believed in, fighting for king and for country or in defence of their homeland."

After the wreath laying ceremony, the National anthems of Turkey, New Zealand and Australia were sung. The Turkish in Turkish, the New Zealand in Maori then English.

As an aside, it's interesting to reflect that Australia and Turkey fought side by side in Korea.


France

This service was at Villers-Bretonneux which is near to Amiens. Here is the main Australian war memorial in France, opened by the King in 1938.

On 24 April 1918, the Germans stormed into Villers-Bretonneux and pushed out the exhausted British troops. This town was crucial as the vital rail terminus at Amiens and the Channel Ports are nearby. At 10 pm that day, the Australians stormed the town, driving the Germans out and stopping their push to the west forever. It was a huge turning point in WW1. The town was completely destroyed. Australia suffered a great many casualties.

After the war, the people of Villers-Bretonneux swore to maintain the memory of the capturing of their town by honouring Australia in any way they could.

"Soldiers of Australia, whose brothers lie here in French soil, be assured that your memory will always be kept alive, and that the burial places of your dead will always be respected and cared for." Mayor of Villers-Bretonneux, July 14, 1919.

The Primary school, re-built with money collected by Victorian school children, has a large sign in the school yard that says: Never Forget Australia. And on the portal at the entrance to the school is a sign that says: Nublions jamais Australie

The service this morning marked the 90th anniversary of the battle. The speech, given by the Australian Ambassador to France, was given in both French and English. Wreath laying was accompanied by a dirge from a solitary piper. Britain's wreath was laid by a senior officer of the Royal Navy.

The service ended with the National Anthems of France and Australia sung by a female Australian soldier. She sang the French one in French.

They shall grow not old
As we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

Lest We Forget.

God Save The Queen.

seaJane
25-04-2008, 14:17
Thanks for those posts Heracles. There's some commemoration in Wiltshire too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7366857.stm

herakles
26-04-2008, 06:37
There are commemorations all over England and Ireland too. Especially for the 29th Division. Thanks for the link.

Here's some more pictures. The last one shows a cricket match being played on Shell Green. The second last one is a rare colour photo - of ANZAC Cove.

Great! This thread actually got a post from another member.

seaJane
26-04-2008, 15:36
My grandfather's album has a photograph of Sedd el-Bahr (spelling?) taken in 1921 I think when he was still out there with HMS Agamemnon. I'll see if I can scan it one of these days.

herakles
27-04-2008, 09:20
I look forward to it Jane. Just as I do re your scurvy and vitamin C article!

seaJane
27-04-2008, 16:08
re your scurvy and vitamin C article!

<blush> That counts as work so I will do it tomorrow!:D

willhastie
26-04-2009, 09:31
yesterday myself and 2 of the youngest daughters attended the dawn service at the shrine melbourne,very moving when 40,000 can be bothered to get out of bed at 04.00 and make their way to the shrine .i felt very humble when a young couple came over and introduced their 6 year old daughter who just wanted to kiss a veteran and say thankyou,so i took off my medals and let the youngster hold them while dad took a photo ,you should have seen the joy on that girls face and it cost nothing,my twins said dad you rearly are a softy.maybe i am but thats what anzac day is about eh.

MartinH-K
26-04-2009, 09:39
Every year, for a couple of weeks either side of Anzac Day, at the performances I do, I sing 'Go no more waltzing Mathilda'... even after all these years and so many thousands of miles, it still reduces people to tears.
Lest we forget...

alanbenn
26-04-2009, 10:10
Will, your gesture to the young girl was excellent and will be something that she will remember for her lifetime.

A similar thing happened to our family during the Arnhem anniversary a few years back, the whole experience is very humbling as you say. The fact that a lot of youngsters show interest is pleasing.

The school children in Arnhem are allocated an unmarked grave to attend for one year, they do this with pride.

I think some of our youth here should take a leaf out of their book.

Do you have any photo's of the event?

Regards
Alan

MartinH-K
26-04-2009, 13:20
It might be different if we'd been invaded but... who knows? One thing I am struck with is that our youth are nowhere near as unpleasant as we're led to believe. I suspect anticipation of trouble is more a problem than the kids are.
I sang the song and of the three peope who came up to me, two were under 20. There's still hope.

alanbenn
26-04-2009, 13:41
Martin, you may well be right that perhaps we would be different if we had been invaded.

But, as I say the children not just in Arnhem but also other places along the route of that 'daring' operation do the same.

Yet here, we constantly read of youngsters who desecrate the gravestones in cemeteries up and down the country. There can be no excuses for this type of action, even the youth of today have someone in their family who would have undoubtably served in one of the armed forces during ww2 or subsequent conflicts.

So it is very refreshing to me to hear of such a wonderful turnout to honour those that took part.

Regards
Alan

MartinH-K
26-04-2009, 15:23
I can't argue with that nor would I wish to. I AM struck by the reports of gravestones and monuments being desecrated in France last year though so it's not just here. It is a sad fact that, 60 years ago we came out of a war that cost so much in human lives and misery and less is done each year to educate the young about it. I wasn't born until 11 years after the end of it but I do know that if it hadn't been for those who fought and those who died, I would either not be here or would be speaking German. I have respect for the German people but deep concerns that, unless we teach the young NOW about what caused the conflict and what it cost, we will end up making the same mistakes again. Frankly, the world cannot do this again and survive. For me, it starts with respect.

Blaydon
26-04-2009, 16:03
I was born in 1967 and I am sad to say that during my school days at least those in which history was a compulsory subject I was not taught anything about the world wars it was all romans and tudors. I sincerely hope that the same is not true for everyone then or now.

nigelweysom
26-04-2009, 20:05
I was born in 1967 and I am sad to say that during my school days at least those in which history was a compulsory subject I was not taught anything about the world wars it was all romans and tudors. I sincerely hope that the same is not true for everyone then or now.
here in Guernsey the second world war is a part of the history curriculum and so i assume the same is true for England
Nigel

Blaydon
26-04-2009, 20:53
Hate to burst your bubble there but I grew up in England and it was not on then, now there is a standardised curriculum it might be but I wonder how many, like me had to learn about it themselves from reading and relatives and of course how many just did not bother.

nigelweysom
26-04-2009, 21:02
no it wasnt when i was at school either but as i say it is now here and i believe it will also be in England
Nigel

willhastie
29-04-2009, 11:31
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44666&stc=1&d=1241004590

alanbenn
29-04-2009, 11:34
Will, thanks for posting the photo of the event.

Truly, truly amazing!


Regards
Alan

willhastie
29-04-2009, 11:47
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44667&stc=1&d=1241005259http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44668&stc=1&d=1241005447http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44669&stc=1&d=1241005563
melbourne shrine and yours with twins

willhastie
29-04-2009, 12:10
sorry previous photo on shrine forecourt after breakfast,phot of twins dident upload,im new to this

kersim
28-02-2011, 00:42
G'Day to our NZ counterparts

My local sub-branch of the RSL recently passed a resolution to play the NZ national anthem at ANZAC Day commemorations. What are people thoughts about this? Do New Zealand commemorations include the Australian national anthem...??? I know the history of ANZAC and all the rest but is it appropriate to play the other countries anthems at our own service and not God Save the Queen (King) for eg. The original Australian ANZAC's fought under this anthem...???

Me personally, I'm not fussed one way or the other but am disappointed that God Save the Queen is NOT played...

I also realise that the order of ceremony is generally a personal choice for each sub-branch rather than the state or national RSL - well here in OZ anyway

SheppeyMiss
24-04-2011, 23:04
For the fallen

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables at home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
Laurence Binyon (1869–1943)We will remember them.Lest we forget.

Old Salt
25-04-2011, 00:50
G'Day to our NZ counterparts

My local sub-branch of the RSL recently passed a resolution to play the NZ national anthem at ANZAC Day commemorations. What are people thoughts about this? Do New Zealand commemorations include the Australian national anthem...??? I know the history of ANZAC and all the rest but is it appropriate to play the other countries anthems at our own service and not God Save the Queen (King) for eg. The original Australian ANZAC's fought under this anthem...???

Me personally, I'm not fussed one way or the other but am disappointed that God Save the Queen is NOT played...

I also realise that the order of ceremony is generally a personal choice for each sub-branch rather than the state or national RSL - well here in OZ anyway

Just returned from Anzac Day commemorations at the local RSA (Returned Servicemens Association): a march to the War memorial and return to RSA carpark for the service. Very moving, well attended and very well done. We sang both the NZ national anthem (Maori & English) then the Australian anthem also. Great idea, that is what ANZAC stands for.

Brian

battlestar
25-04-2011, 01:46
G'Day All

I've just returned home from the Dawn Service at King Park here in Perth.
It was a cold morning, but a good one for ANZAC Day. The service was of the highest standard, with over 40'000 people standing in the pre dawn darkness in silence. To this day I'm still deeply moved by ANZAC Day.

If you are interested, read these articles about the day.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/anzac-day/anzac-dawn-services-around-australia-are-told-to-celebrate-the-contribution-of-soldiers/story-e6frgdaf-1226044308358
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/9253481/
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/9253269/vc-winners-echo-wwi-digger/

Then I saw this. From Australia's Latest Victoria Cross Recipiant
You think I'm brave? Meet my mates: Ben Roberts-Smith VC
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/you-think-im-brave-meet-my-mates-ben-roberts-smith/story-fn59niix-1226043546948

Lest We Forget.

Battlestar

Dreadnought
25-04-2011, 06:21
Thread meged with existinmg threads regarding this very important commemoration, just to keep it all together.

Woodbutcher
03-05-2011, 03:16
Thankyou 'Sheppy Miss' for the poem "For the Fallen". I've typed it out and added it to my file for the Family, so they Wont Forget.

The service I visited this year was at Browns Bay, North Shore, Auckland, NZ. Steady rain all through the Dawn Service, but the assembly stuck it out till the finish, and marched off drenched and Proud. We only got wet but THEY also got wet, plus went through Hell for us. We Will Remember Them.