SHIPS/BADGES - CRESTS etc [Archive] - Page 19

alanbenn

11-04-2010, 06:34

Fyrbird, interesting selection of unofficial badges.

The badges for Hms Chichester and Thule are almost the same as the 'official' badges, Hms Pitcairn I have seen before one of the 'colony class frigates' on lend-lease from the USA during ww2, non of which were issued official badges.

The intriguing one is the badge marked 'FIRST' obviously relating to a submarine with the 2 dolphins at the bottom of it. Which submarine it refers to I have no idea.....the design has the 'Scotland' flag incorporated into it, so perhaps a clue there.

The 'storm' and 'warrior' badges I have seen similar ones before and are very amateurish attempts in my opinion.

I like the 2 metal badges for Hms Chester and Hms Dominion and are pre-official badges, the later Hms Chester 'official' badge has the Bushel of straw as depicted in your badge.

Thanks for posting them onto the forum for us all.

Regards
Alan

fyrbird

11-04-2010, 06:41

Or "ROLL ON MY F***ING TWELVE".

Ed I see rather like TFIF -THANK F*** its friday ?

MelQuick

11-04-2010, 06:44

Ed

When you have time, could you do the destroyers Delight, Duchess, Faulknor, Fortune and Grenville?

Many thanks

Mel

Scratcher

11-04-2010, 07:33

Hi Ed,Could you do HMS Ledbury,Leeds,Leeds Castle,Legion,Leith,for me please.

Peter.

fyrbird

11-04-2010, 11:21

A few colonial ones you may not have.

empiretocommonwealth

11-04-2010, 12:47

Hi Greg,

Thanks for that - I thought I had heard something of the name being connected with the HMNZS - so at least I'm not going as mad as I think I am ..... yet.

+ Anthony

Hi Anthony,
HMS Maori was Royal Navy.
There was a HMNZS Maori.
HMNZS Maori (P3570) was a Fairmile B Motor Launch of the Royal New Zealand Navy Originally commissioned on 20 December 1943 with pennant number Q 409, she was part of the 80th Motor Launch Flotilla. Early in 1944 she went to the Solomon Islands where she served under the operational control of COMSOPAC. After the end of the war she was sold. In 1953 she was repurchased and recommissioned as HMNZS Maori (P3570). In 1963 she was sold again and became the Auckland-Waiheke ferry Iris Moana
Greg

empiretocommonwealth

11-04-2010, 12:49

Hi Fyrbird,

I've seen the Endeavour before ..... Am I right, that's a training ship of sorts?

+ Anthony

A few colonial ones you may not have.

Tom Grant

11-04-2010, 14:11

A few colonial ones you may not have.

These are not fully explained, i have the badge from HMAS Ardent , BUT YOUR BADGES SAY'S DIVISION, DIVISION OF WHAT, Sea Cadets, Navy league,

RNfanDan

11-04-2010, 14:12

could you do the destroyers Delight, Duchess...

Mel,

For Duchess, see post 2872;
For Delight, post #3019

Hopefully this will save both time and duplication of effort.

Cheers! :)

MelQuick

11-04-2010, 16:50

Mel,

For Duchess, see post 2872;
For Delight, post #3019

Hopefully this will save both time and duplication of effort.

Cheers! :)

Hi

My fault - I should have spelt it out better. I'm looking for Daring Class badges here, which are circular.

Mel

alanbenn

11-04-2010, 18:06

These are not fully explained, i have the badge from HMAS Ardent , BUT YOUR BADGES SAY'S DIVISION, DIVISION OF WHAT, Sea Cadets, Navy league,

Tom, they are training divisions of the RAN see link below, each shows the badge for the division.

http://www.navy.gov.au/Armidale_Class_Patrol_Boat_Crew_Ardent_Five

Regards
Alan

empiretocommonwealth

11-04-2010, 18:37

Hi All,

Does any one have a picture of the Navy HQ badge for the Australian Navy, please? The one I've got is way too small :(

Thanks,

+ Anthony

fyrbird

11-04-2010, 23:51

Sorry Tom I did not explain, they are training divisions for patrol boat crews, as for navy H.Q. the logo for the whole navy is the anchor with crown on top and this is what i have for fleet h.q. and a few others

SASIG

12-04-2010, 09:34

I have a request for badges for V Class destroyers from WW1 that served in WW2, in particular HMS Velox and HMS Vimy.

Have searched the thread to date and not found these.

Thanks

Janet

fyrbird

12-04-2010, 09:46

alanbenn

12-04-2010, 11:18

empiretocommonwealth

12-04-2010, 12:22

Hi Fyrbird

Thanks for the Chief of Navy and Fleet HQ badges.

+ Anthony

Sorry Tom I did not explain, they are training divisions for patrol boat crews, as for navy H.Q. the logo for the whole navy is the anchor with crown on top and this is what i have for fleet h.q. and a few others

MelQuick

12-04-2010, 12:59

Alan

Thanks for the badges of Velox and Vimy.

Mel

empiretocommonwealth

12-04-2010, 14:05

Hi Alan,

All hail supreme leader! .....

Fyrbird's VELOX was the diamond shape and blue - yet yours is the one similar to St. Anthony's (well of COURSE I'm going to remember THAT one!).

Does that make Fyrbird's an unofficial one?

+ Anthony

Here you go Janet, hope these are of use to you. If you need photo's of the ships please send me a PM.

Regards
Alan

SASIG

12-04-2010, 15:23

Many thanks Alan

Janet

limeybiker

12-04-2010, 15:36

Found this Pennant on an American site. The transfer of USS Delgado to HMS Speaker 1942.
Makes some good reading.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/cve-40/speaker.htm

culverin

12-04-2010, 16:51

hello fyrbird # 4483
your image of the black prince badge is the armoured cruiser lost at jutland
your copy appears to be one issued as a silk card from c 1912-1914
as is that for the rnh
these predate the introduction of the ships badge as we know it today

alanbenn

12-04-2010, 17:15

Fyrbird's VELOX was the diamond shape and blue - yet yours is the one similar to St. Anthony's (well of COURSE I'm going to remember THAT one!).

Does that make Fyrbird's an unofficial one?

+ Anthony

Anthony, the badge for Velox was as issued in 1919, description......

'Black, three arrows gold, feathered red in bend.'

Velox is the latin for 'Swift or Rapid'

Destroyers were issued in the shield shape.

So yes the diamond shape is an unofficial.

Regards
Alan

ltotenby

12-04-2010, 18:35

ED - When you have the time, can I trouble you for the badges of -
AFRIDI - AGAMEMNON - AIREDALE - ALAUNIA - ALBRIGHTON..... Many thanks, George...........

Tom Grant

12-04-2010, 19:15

greg bryant

12-04-2010, 21:08

Hi,
A couple of NZ pennants.
Greg

empiretocommonwealth

12-04-2010, 21:29

Hi All,

I have this badge for Tamaki - I wonder why it has Achilles appearing on it?

+ Anthony

greg bryant

12-04-2010, 21:56

Hi All,

I have this badge for Tamaki - I wonder why it has Achilles appearing on it?

+ Anthony

Hi,
The pennant is old about 1940.
HMNZS Tamaki was a training facility,i think with two divisions ACHILLES and LEANDER.
I stand to be corrected though
Greg

fleetchief

13-04-2010, 04:47

Ed

When you have time, could you do the destroyers Delight, Duchess, Faulknor, Fortune and Grenville?

Many thanks

Mel

They're here,

Delight - H38 & I08, changed to D119 - The Pipes of Pan gave delight to ancient Greeks. 13 ships have had this name. SP done for 11th ship, Destroyer Leader, 'D' or 'Defender' class; Sunk 29 Jul 1940 air attack off Portland. 12th ship, Destroyer; Ordered 1945; Cancelled Jan 1946. Badge updated for 13th ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'Daring' class, (ex-Disdain), renamed Jun 1946; Sold Ward 12 Sep 1970; BU Inverkeithing.

Duchess - H64 & I94, changed to D154 - Coronet puns the name, globe refers to circumnavigation of the world by Captain Woodes Rogers in Duke and Captain Stephen Courtnay in Duchess (1708 - 1711). Both vessels were Bristol merchants. On this trip Courtnay rescued Alexander Selkirk (Robinson Crusoe). William Dampier was the Pilot in Duke. 4 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Destroyer Leader, 'D' or 'Defender' class; Sunk 12 Dec 1939 in collision with HMS Barham off Western Scotland. Badge updated for 4th ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'Daring' class; To RAN as HMAS Duchess, 8 May 1964; BU Jun 1980 Japan.

Faulknor - H62 - Name honours Captain Robert Faulknor (1763 - 1795) killed in action against the French Pique in 1795. ffoulkes states crest of Captain Faulknor was the same as that of Admiral Hardy, which had already been used for badge of Amphion. However, this design can be explained by white field representing the Blanche in which Faulknor lost his life. A trident symbolic of mastery of the seas refers to his earlier exploits, laurel alluding to honours he earned, capturing the French Bienvenue the previous year. Note: Searches have not revealed Arms definitively attributed to Captain Robert Faulknor. Affiliation: Stourbridge, Worcestershire. 3 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Destroyer Leader, 'F' class; Sold 22 Jan 1946, BU Ward, Milford Haven.

Fortune - H70 - Implicit in the motto. Fortuna's wheel. A name dating from 1522 and borne by twenty-six vessels. Affiliation: Midlothian, Scotland. SP done for 25th ship, Destroyer, 'F' class; To RCN and renamed HMCS Saskatchewan 3 Jun 1943; BU 1946. The 26th ship, Minesweeper, 'Bay' class; RCN, HMCS Fortune (MCB 151) (ex-Belle Isle); Paid Off 28 Feb 1966 and sold 1966 for offshore oil exploration, renamed Edgewater Fortune. Note: No badge update as she would have used the Coastal Minesweeper 'Type' badge.

Grenville - ?? , H03 & R97 - Sir Richard Grenville (1541 - 1591) fought his ship Revenge against 53 Spanish vessels (Roughly 15 in close combat) in the Battle of the Azores in 1591, but was killed in action. Badge design follows part of his Arms, motto also his. Before 1919 the Battleship Revenge used this design as an unofficial badge. 5 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Destroyer Leader, 'Parker' class; Sold Dec 1931 Rees, Llanelly. 4th ship, Destroyer Leader, "Greyhound' class; Sunk 19 Jan 1940 mine North Sea. Badge updated for 5th ship, Destroyer, 'U' class; Converted to Frigate 1954; BU 1983 Rochester.

Yours tomorrow, Peter.

Ed

MelQuick

13-04-2010, 04:51

Ed

Yet again, thanks very much.

Mel

fleetchief

14-04-2010, 04:06

Hi Ed,Could you do HMS Ledbury,Leeds,Leeds Castle,Legion,Leith,for me please.

Peter.

As requested,

Ledbury - L90 & M30 - Sir Arthur considered Heraldic Tincture Murrey nearest to chocolate, the collar shade on red coats worn by huntsmen of this foxhunt in Herefordshire dating from 1810. Master of the Hounds from 1824 - 1833 was Squire Cliffe, seax is from his Arms. Horns allude to hunting. The Hunt is worked in two sections over three counties. Affiliation: Ledbury. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 1st ship, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Arrived May 1958 Charlestown for BU Rosyth. 2nd ship, Minesweeper, 'Hunt' class. She cost £65 Million at time of building, which was the most expensive cost per metre for any class of ship built by the Royal Navy.

Leeds - G27 - Woollen Mills of the 17th and 18th centuries are found in the City Arms, which date from 1666, fleece is taken from the City Arms. Star on a blue background represents U.S. military emblem. Affiliation: Wisbech, Cambridgeshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, Type D 'Leeds' class, (ex-USS Conner); Sold 4 Mar 1947, BU Ward, Grays.

Leeds Castle - K384 & P258 - As there are two Leeds Castles, designer has indicated the one intended is the moated Leeds Castle near Maidstone in Kent, by using a marine version of the White Horse of Kent. The battlements were restored by Wykeham-Martin in 1821. This fortress is known as 'Castle of the Queens' or 'Lady's Castle', Lady Olive Baillie's livery colours form field of the badge. Lady Olive who purchased Leeds Castle in 1926, provided in her will for this Norman fortress to be preserved in perpetuity for the public's benefit. Affiliation: Hastings, East Sussex. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 1st ship, Corvette, 'Castle' class; Arrived 5 May 1958, Ward, Gray's for BU. 2nd ship, Patrol Vessel, 'Castle' class; Arrived Portsmouth to be Paid Off 8 Aug 2005; For sale.

Legion - G74 - Most important regalia of a Roman Legion, the crest of a Roman centurion's banner. Affiliation: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'L' class; Sunk 26 Mar 1942 air attack Malta.

Leith - L36 - The old sea port of Edinburgh, which in 1920 became part of the City. From the Burgh Arms. Motto is Leith's. Note: Many versions of this badge show red pennons at the top of the two masts, as shown in the SP. This is INCORRECT, as there is a note on the SP for them to be left out. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Sloop, 'Grimsby' class; Sold 25 Nov 1946 for use as a mercantile and renamed Byron and later renamed again Friendship; In 1949 acquired by the Royal Danish Navy for hydrographic duties; Later renamed H M Danish Ship Galathea; To BU 1955.

George, you're next, then Tom.

Ed

fleetchief

14-04-2010, 05:29

Having collected all but six of the RN destroyer badges I wanted from this superb thread, I would like to request these images from you, Ed (all are, as usual, 1930's RN destroyers):

Cygnet

Foresight, Forester;

Hereward, Hostile, Hunter

These will complete my A-I class files for planned modeling projects.

Thank you for all your hard work on the many images you have posted, and especially the historical briefings that accompany many of your works of art!

Dan

Hi Dan,

Checking through my directories, I found these in yours. Done on 10th but I appear to not have posted them. Sorry about that, just an oversight. I get a bit confused when I have several of you on the go at once.

Cygnet - H83, U38 & P261 - A young swan. Partial pun on her name. Affiliation: Northfleet, Kent. 16 ships have had this name. SP done for 14th ship, Destroyer, 'C' class; Transferred to RCN 17 Feb 1937 and renamed HMCS St. Laurent; Sold International Iron and Metal, Hamilton, 1947, for BU. Badge updated for 15th ship, Sloop, Modified 'Black Swan' class; Arrived 16 Mar 1956 Rosyth for BU. 16th ship, Patrol Boat; Sold 28 Feb 1996 to private individual.

Foresight - H79 - ffoulkes states that this design was adapted from Arms of Captain W. Wyntour (Wynter) who fought the Foresight against the Armada. This statement does not hold up under research, Sir William Wynter and his son were in Vanguard during this action. Foresight was commanded by Captain Christopher Baker. To the westward was the merchantmen Minion captained by a William Wynter. Although the family of Wynter (or Winter) does have a crescent included in their Arms, Sir William's Arms have not been traced. His son John was certainly in command of Foresight during Drake's action of Corunna in 1589. Affiliation: The City of Westminster, London. 4 ships have had this name. SP done for 4th ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'F' class; Bombed 12 Aug 1942 by Italian aircraft in Central Mediterranean; Sunk next day by torpedo from HMS Tartar.

Forester - H74 - A woodman. 11 ships have had this name. SP done for 11th ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'F' class; Sold 22 Jan 1946; Arrived Jun 1947 Rosyth for BU.

Hereward - H93 - The Northamptonshire family of Wake are able to trace descent back to Hereward the Wake, who held out on the Isle of Ely against William the Conqueror (1070 - 1071), and use a 'Wake Knot' in their Arms. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'H' class; Bombed 29 May 1941 German aircraft off Crete.

Hostile - H55 - ON Guard! Only 1 ship has had this name, Fleet Destroyer, 'H' class; Hit a mine 23 Aug 1940 off Cape Bon, abandoned and hulk sunk by torpedoes from HMS Hero.

Hunter - H35, D80, ?? & P284 - The silent weapon. 18 ships have had this name. SP done for 15th ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'H' class; Damaged in action and lost 10 Apr 1940 after collision with HMS Hotspur. Badge updated for 16th ship, Escort Carrier, 'Attacker' class; Originally built for mercantile use as SS Mormacpenn; Converted to a Auxiliary Aircraft Carrier (CVE) to be named USS Block Island; Transfer to the RN and intended to be given the name HMS Trailer, but commissioned as HMS Hunter; 29th Dec 1945 returned to USN; Later the ship was sold for use as a mercantile and renamed Almdijk. She remained in commercial use until 1973 when sold for breaking up in Spain at Valencia. 17th ship, LST, (ex-LST.3042), renamed Hunter 31 Jan 1945; Transferred to MoT and renamed Empire Curlew 1954; Arrived 26 Sep 1962 Spezia for BU. 18th ship, Patrol/Training Boat; 'Attacker'class; Training ship for London; Sold to Lebanon 17 Jul 1992 and renamed Beirut/Arz 1993.

Ed

Scratcher

14-04-2010, 05:43

Hi Ed,Very many thanks,lovely job.Thank You.

fyrbird

14-04-2010, 13:21

just checking are all these official does anyone know ? Thanks

fleetchief

14-04-2010, 18:28

just checking are all these official does anyone know ? Thanks

Can't make out the detail in the last one, but the first 6 are all Official.

Ed

greg bryant

14-04-2010, 18:59

just checking are all these official does anyone know ? Thanks

Number 7 official as well.
Greg

fleetchief

14-04-2010, 21:48

I have a request for badges for V Class destroyers from WW1 that served in WW2, in particular HMS Velox and HMS Vimy.

Have searched the thread to date and not found these.

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet,

I know others have posted copies, but I thought you might like my repainted versions.

Velox - D34 - Latin for rapid, quick or fleet. Affiliation: Rhondda, South Wales. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'Admiralty V' class; Sold 18 Feb 1947; Arrived Nov 1947 Charlestown, for BU.

Vimy - D33 - Commemorates taking of Vimy Ridge by the Canadians in 1917, first major engagement in which the Mills Bomb was used. Affiliation: Hucknall, Nottingham. 2 ships have had this name. 1st ship, Destroyer, Modified 'W' class; (ex-Vantage), renamed Vimy 1918; Cancelled Sep 1919. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'V/W' class; (Ex-Vancouver), renamed Vimy 1 Apr 1928; Escort May 1942; BU Dec 1947 by Metal Industries, Rosyth. Note: Vancouver was renamed to free up the name for the RCN, so that Toreador could be renamed Vancouver.

Ed

fleetchief

14-04-2010, 22:48

ED - When you have the time, can I trouble you for the badges of -
AFRIDI - AGAMEMNON - AIREDALE - ALAUNIA - ALBRIGHTON..... Many thanks, George...........

Hi George, These came out good, especially Afridi & Alaunia.

Tom next.

Afridi - F07 - A tribe of the India-Afghan frontier region. Design advised by General Sir John Coleridge. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'Tribal' class; Sunk 3 May 1949 by air attack off Namsos, Norway.

Agamemnon - Agamemnon, King of Mycenae, who commanded the Greek forces at Troy, was know as a brave spearsman. It is identical to the unofficial badge. 5 ships have had this name. Horation Nelson was Commanding Officer of the first of name. 3rd ship, Trawler. 4th ship, Battleship. SP done for 5th ship, Minelayer; converted from a Blue Funnel Line cargo/passenger ship; Paid Off and returned to Trade 27 Apr 1947.

Airedale - L07 - A beagle hunt in Yorkshire, green roundel equals colour of huntsmen's uniform, its buttons depict quarry - the hare. Remark: Sir Arthur Cochrane's wit shows here, in Heraldry green could represent the Yorkshire Dales and with an 'are crossing it at speed could be taken as a pun "hare dale"'. Affiliation: Spenborough, Yorkshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Attacked 15 Jun 1942 by German aircraft north of Sollum; Ship abandoned and sunk by torpedo from HMS Aldenham and gunfire from HMS Hurworth.

Alaunia - Alaunia was the land of the Alani, skilled horsemen and horse breeders. Ex-Cunard Steamship Company Ltd. Only 1 ship has had this name. Hired as an Armed Merchant Cruiser; Completed as a Repair Ship Sep 1945; Arrived 10 Sep 1957 Hughes Bolckow, Blyth to BU. Note: There was an Alaunia II, Monitor, (ex-M13; ex-Marshal Ney); Base ship Vivid Jun 1922, Drake 1 Jan 1934, Alunia II 1947; Arrived 6 Oct 1957 Ward, Milford, for BU.

Albrighton - L12 - A foxhunt in the counties of Staffordshire and Shropshire. The evening dress worn by huntsmen of this foxhound pack is red with white facings, stirrup is from Arms of the Giffard family who founded the hunt in 1830. Affiliation: Wednesbury, West Midlands. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Sold Nov 1957 to West German Navy, renamed Raule 9 Apr 1959; Paid Off 1968; Sold 1969 for BU Essen & Metall, Hamburg.

Ed

fyrbird

14-04-2010, 23:11

Does anyone know why the Blythe badge in post 4524 appear to have two name plates?

fyrbird

14-04-2010, 23:47

here is another one I guess it is just a "B" thing

RNfanDan

15-04-2010, 01:57

These came out good, especially Afridi & Alaunia.

Ed

Yet again, marvellous images, Ed! You obviously know your way around that graphics program!

Dan

fyrbird

15-04-2010, 02:12

ED. If you get a spare moment I would appreciate very much broke, bruce,caledonia, cumberland and hermes . I wish to thank you in advance and I really appreciate your work , thank you F

fleetchief

15-04-2010, 03:36

As promised, here is the Final NEW Badge - The Fleet Air Arm, which I finally got finished.

Ed

ltotenby

15-04-2010, 04:33

Once again ED - Many thanks for the badges, brilliant.... George

MelQuick

15-04-2010, 05:58

Ed

If possible, could you do the Daring class destroyer Dainty and the Hunt class vessels Blankney, Bramham, Chiddingfold and Eridge?

Thanking you in advance.

Mel

fleetchief

15-04-2010, 08:17

Ed

If possible, could you do the Daring class destroyer Dainty and the Hunt class vessels Blankney, Bramham, Chiddingfold and Eridge?

Thanking you in advance.

Mel

Here's the Dainty badges. No notes as they have been previously posted. Other badges will follow, when updated.

Ed

MelQuick

15-04-2010, 08:37

Here's the Dainty badges. No notes as they have been previously posted. Other badges will follow, when updated.

Ed

Hi Ed

Wow! That was a fast response!

Many thanks.

Mel

Dave Hutson

15-04-2010, 09:19

Hi Ed. PM in the rack for you.

Dave H

Scratcher

15-04-2010, 10:42

Hi Ed,Could you do HMS Larne,Latonia,Lauderdale,Launceston Castle,Leamington,Leda, for me please.

Peter.

greg bryant

15-04-2010, 20:38

A couple of NZ pennants,with badges.
Greg

fleetchief

16-04-2010, 05:47

Greetings Ed,
Once again thanks for the last lot of "M"s, all safely in my collection, can i please ask for the following Badges
MARLBOROUGH,MARMION,MARNE,MARS,MARTIN ,MARVEL,MARY ROSE, MASHONA,MASTIFF,MATABELE

Thanks and regards Tom

That's a long list, Tom, but here they are. There's an extra Mastiff - a Fleet Tug.

Marlborough - ?? & F233 - A supporter (wyvern) to Arms of John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough (1650 - 1722) who was a famous British general. Collar and locket added to recall his Scottish peerage 1683. Name given to the Royal Navy Torpedo School at Eastbourne, East Sussez (1942 - 1947). 6 ships have had this name. SP done for 5th ship, Battleship, 'Iron Duke' class; Sold 27 Jun 1932 Metal Industries, Rosyth. Badge updated for 6th ship, Frigate, Type 23 'Duke' class; De-commissioned 8 Jul 2005; Sold to Chile 2005 - to be refitted and transferred Apr 2007, renamed CNS Almirante Condell (FF-06).

Marmion - ?? - For many years duties of the 'King's Champion' were undertaken by the Marmion family, who stood for the new Sovereign's right to rule following the Coronation. Duty performed until the coronation of King George IV in 1821. 3 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Minesweeper, 'Algerine' class, (ex-Orangeville), renamed 1943; BU May 1959 Clayton & Davie, Dunston.

Marne - G35 - From Arms of Field Marshall Sir John French, Earl of Ypres (1852 - 1925). Victor of (first) Battle of the Marne 1914. He first joined the Navy for four years and then decided to transfer to the Army, ending up as Chief of the Imperial General Staff in 1912 and Field Marshal in 1913. Laurel alludes to this victory. Remark: It was not until 'Battle' class destroyer badges were designed (c 1945) that palm was used to symbolize victory on land - by the Admiralty. Affiliation: Keighley, Yorkshire. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'M' class; Sold 26 Mar 1958 Turkish Navy and renamed Maresal Fevzi Cakmak; Discarded 1970.

Mars - A Zodiac astronomical sign which represents planet Mars, named after Roman God of War because of its red tinge. The name of Reserve Fleet at Harwich, Essex (1950 - 1957). 9 ships have had this name. SP done for Reserve Fleet.

Martin - G44 - Charges from Arms of Admiral of the Fleet Sir Thomas Byam Martin GCB (1773 - 1854). Affiliation: Bury, Lancashire. 12 ships have had this name. SP done for 12th ship, Destroyer, 'M' class; Sunk 10 Nov 1942 by U.431 north of Algiers.

Marvel - M443 - Although a black leopard is considered to be a marvel of nature, badge depicts field colour and a charge from Arms of Andrew Marvel (1621 - 1675), famous British Parliamentary figure, poet and man of letters under Cromwell & Charles II, King of England. He had no connection with the Royal Navy. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Minesweeper, 'Algerine' class; Arrived 7 May 1958 Charlestown, for BU.

Mary Rose - J360 - Rose and fleur-de-lys (Tudor Royal badges) allude to first of name which honoured Mary, sister to Henry VIII, who married Louis XII of France and later Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk.. In 1669, Captain Kempthorne, in this ship, beat off seven Algerine pirate ships and saved his convoy. He was knighted. Wreath in memory of 1915 destroyer sunk off Norway 17 Oct 1917 by German cruisers. 9 ships have had this name. SP done for 9th ship, Minesweeper, 'Algerine' class, (ex-Toronto), renamed 1943; Arrived 14 Nov 1957 Dorkin, Gatehead, for BU.

Mashona - F59 - The ruins of Great Zimbabwe yielded many soapstone (steatite) carvings particularly this hawk-like bird known as the Great Zimbabwe Bird. It served as a Mashona tribe talisman, also featured in the Arms of Rohodesia. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Tribal' class;Sunk 28 May 1941 air attack south-west of Ireland.

Mastiff - T10 - Hound dating from early Grecian times, dog in design could be a bull-mastiff, as the mastiff was reputed to be light in colour. 8 ships have had this name, counting the Fleet Tug. SP done for 7th ship, ASW Trawler, 'Dog' class; Mine exploded while being hauled aboard 20 Nov 1939.

Matabele - F26 - Representation of personal seal used by Lobengula, Chief of the Matabele at the time of their final defeat in 1880's. They were allied to the Zulus, and the motto is Zulu. Remark: Hans Maschek carved his wood patterns differently to the sealed pattern, giving a better impression of the African elephant. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Tribal' class; Sunk 17 Jan 1942 by U.454 Barents Sea (Only 2 of a ship's company of 238 survived).

Ed

SCRG1970

16-04-2010, 20:46

Help needed to identify these two unofficials.

HMS Daffodil perhaps, but which one ?

HMS ..........?????

Regards

Gerry

empiretocommonwealth

16-04-2010, 21:38

Hi Gerry,

The 2nd picture - I wonder if it has something to do with a Liver bird ..... HMS Liverpool maybe?

+ Anthony

fyrbird

17-04-2010, 00:52

Help needed to identify these two unofficials.

HMS Daffodil perhaps, but which one ?

HMS ..........?????

Regards

Gerry

the second one is reminiscent of a cormorant if there was such a ship

tipahmh

17-04-2010, 01:09

Dear all,
I will be most grateful if someone could produce the ships badge for HMS COUNTERGUARD(L4043),an LCT sold to Malaysian Navy back in the sixties. A brief history of the ship would most appreciated. Thank you in advance. Regards. tipahmh

fleetchief

17-04-2010, 03:35

ED. If you get a spare moment I would appreciate very much broke, bruce,caledonia, cumberland and hermes . I wish to thank you in advance and I really appreciate your work , thank you F

Broke - D83 - Design incorporates charges from Arms of Rear Admiral Sir Phillip Bowes Vere Broke (1776 - 1841) of HMS Shannon / USS Chesapeake engagement fame in 1813. Affiliation: Bromley, Kent. 3 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Destroyer, 'Shakespeare' class, (ex-Rooke), renamed 13 Apr 1921; Foundered in tow 9 Nov 1942 after damage 8 Nov 1942 from shore batteries at Algiers.

Bruce - D81 - Gold field and red saltire from Arms of King Robert the Bruce (1274 - 1329), victor of the Battle of Bannockburn, Scotland in 1314. Spider recalls his contemplations whilst hiding on Rathlin Island. Name given to a Boy's Training School (1947 - 1949). Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Scott' class; Sunk 22 Nov 1939 as a torpedo target off Isle of Wight.

Caledonia - Ancient and poetic name for Scotland (above the Clyde and Forth) was selected for the Artificer's training ship moored at Rosyth (1937 - 1939), her badge includes both flag and badge of Scotland. Ship formerly German 'Bismarck' and Cunard - White Star liner 'Majestic'. At 56,000 tons she was the largest vessel (1937) commissioned to fly the White Ensign. The establishment Paid Off in 1985 but the site was retained. In 1996, Caledonia was re-commissioned as a "stone frigate" in a refit support role for Rosyth Dockyard. 4 ships have had this name. SP done for 4th ship, Handed over by Messrs Ward in exchange for a number of obsolete warships 8 Oct 1936; Training Ship Commissioned 23 Apr 1937; Burnt 29 Sep 1939 by accident Rosyth; Wreck sold Mar 1943; Raised 12 Jul 1943 and BU Firth of Forth and Inverkeithing.

Cumberland - 57 & F85 - One of the thirty-nine historic counties of England. Now forms part of Cumbria. The County of Cumberland did not bear a grant of Arms in 1926, badge uses charges from Arms of county town, Carlisle, granted to them in 1814. Affiliation: 1 - The County of Cumberland; 2 - The County of Cumbria; 3 - The Worshipful Company of Glovers.) 11 ships have had this name. SP done for 10th ship, Cruiser. 'Kent' class; Arrived 3 Nov 1959 Cashmore, Newport, for BU. Badge updated for 11th ship, Frigate, 'Broadsword' class Type 22 Batch 3.

Hermes - D95 & R12 - Greek messenger to the Gods. This vessel (1923) was an aircraft carrier. The motto refers to the ship's aircraft. 11 ships have had this name. SP done for 9th ship, Aircraft Carrier,'Hermes' class; Sunk 9 Apr 1942 Japanese aircraft off Ceylon, together with her Australian Escort Destroyer HMAS Vampire. 10th ship, Aircraft Carrier; Cancelled Oct 1945. Badge updated for 11th ship, Aircraft Carrier, 'Centaur' class; Sold India Nov 1986 and renamed Viraat; To Paid Off 2008.

Ed

MelQuick

17-04-2010, 05:57

Ed

Just a small point - I think the BU date for Cumberland should read 1959.

Sorry to nitpick.

Mel

fyrbird

17-04-2010, 06:37

many many thanks Ed you are indeed a gentleman and a scholar and you should take care of yourself as there are not many of us left. F

fleetchief

17-04-2010, 08:40

Ed

Just a small point - I think the BU date for Cumberland should read 1959.

Sorry to nitpick.

Mel

You're right of course. Reference said '1959' but fingers got ahead of brain. I've edited it.

Ed

Rob Hoole

17-04-2010, 08:43

I have become the proud owner of a framed 'Double Remarque' print of a painting entitled Danger at Depth (http://vernon-monument.org/dangeratdepth.aspx) by John Terry FCSD. I knew John, a MoD Civil Servant, when he worked in the Portsmouth Graphics Pool at HMS Vernon during the 1970s/80s and he is just retiring as Head of Fleet Graphics & Publications on Whale Island. He created the painting to help raise funds for Project Vernon (http://vernon-monument.org/), the campaign to erect a permanent monument in Gunwharf Quays, Portsmouth to commemorate the Minewarfare and Diving heritage of HMS Vernon which prevously stood on the site. My customised version now hangs in my dining room and shows most of the badges of ships and units associated with my minewarfare and diving jobs in the RN.

It will be possible to order prints and purchase drawings (including new productions of Ton Class MCMVs) from the Project Vernon stand at Gunwharf Quays over the weekend of 1st and 2nd May during the Sea Cadet Festival (http://www.gunwharf-quays.com/gunwharf_quays_events%28Sea_Cadet_Festival_2010%29-252.htm) celebrating 150th anniversary of the formation of the Cadet movement. The Hunt Class minehunter HMS Hurworth (http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operations-and-support/surface-fleet/mine-countermeasure/hunt-class/hms-hurworth/) is due to be alongside as well as T.S. Royalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TS_Royalist), MGB 81 (http://www.warboats.co.uk/mgb81/mgb81.htm) and HSL 102 (http://www.warboats.co.uk/mgb81/mgb81.htm).

SCRG1970

17-04-2010, 15:49

Help needed to identify these two unofficials.

HMS Daffodil perhaps, but which one ?

HMS ..........?????

Regards

Gerry

I have been informed by a very reliable source that the bird unofficial is HMS SHEARWATER.

Still waiting on the daffodil!!!

Regards

gerry

empiretocommonwealth

17-04-2010, 16:49

Hi Gerry,

I've got this unofficial badge for Shearwater ... I'm looking through my unofficials for the daffodil ...

+ Anthony

Rob Hoole

17-04-2010, 17:50

RN Maritime Warfare Centre (MWC)

Tom Grant

17-04-2010, 21:38

I have been informed by a very reliable source that the bird unofficial is HMS SHEARWATER.

Still waiting on the daffodil!!!

Regards

gerry

Greetings Gerry

this is one of the unofficial badges i have for Daffodil

Regards Tom

SCRG1970

17-04-2010, 22:03

Tom/Anthony

Thanks for your help. re DAFFODIL I presume Tom this was for the Flower Class Corvette (renamed DIANELLA) rather than the Acacia Class Sloop of 1915. Very little chance it was used by the Ferry of that name in WWII.

re SHEARWATER the badge is similar to a lot of Canadian Gunshield graffiti which would indicate it could have been used by the sloop of 1900 which was transferred to the RCN in 1915 as a Depot Ship. If not it would be for the 1939 Patrol vessel.

Any thoughts on that please ?

Regards

Gerry

empiretocommonwealth

17-04-2010, 22:45

Hi Gerry,

Just looking through my collection of badges - the Canadian badge for HMCS Shearwater - there certainly is a similarity between the two badges, bird + waves .....

Is there such a thing as 'semi' official I ask!

+ Anthony

greg bryant

17-04-2010, 23:02

Another Canadian Shearwater.
Greg

greg bryant

17-04-2010, 23:08

Escort/Minesweeper HMS VITI.
Greg

empiretocommonwealth

17-04-2010, 23:45

Hi Greg,

I have a very similar badge to you - but this is linked to the Canadian Air Force 12 Wing - the difference between your badge and this one is a blue ring inside the maple leaf surround ....

Now THIS is a mystery!!!

+ Anthony

greg bryant

18-04-2010, 00:05

fyrbird

18-04-2010, 00:10

Hi Fyrbird,

I've seen the Endeavour before ..... Am I right, that's a training ship of sorts?

+ Anthony

Sorry Anthony I was miles away and forgot to answer your question .yes the endeavour is in fact a sail training vessel which was a gift from Britain to Australia for our Bi-centennial in 1988. It was built at Lowestoft and launched in 1986.

fleetchief

18-04-2010, 03:35

Ed

If possible, could you do the Daring class destroyer Dainty and the Hunt class vessels Blankney, Bramham, Chiddingfold and Eridge?

Thanking you in advance.

Mel

Here's the rest, Mel,

Peter, yours tomorrow.

Blankney - L30 - Horns link sport and class, red coats are worn by the huntsmen of this foxhunt in Lincolnshire, founded in 1871. Griffin is from Arms of Chaplin family who held Mastership of pack between 1871 and 1885. Affiliation: Nantwich, Cheshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Handed Over 7 Mar 1939 Hughes Bolckow, Blyth, for BU.

Bramham - L51 - Fox is taken from Arms of James Fox-Lane who established this hunt near Wetherby, Yorkshire in 1750. The field represents the River Wharfe and the Hunt colour is red. Affiliation: Wetherby, Yorkshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Lent Greek Navy as H Hellenic MS Themistocles (or Themistoklis) Mar 1943 - 12 Dec 1959; Returned to RN; Sold 30 Jun 1960 for BU in Greece.

Chiddingfold - L31 - Honours a foxhunt founded 1863 by a gentleman farmer, Mr. Thomas Sadler of Chiddingfold, Surrey. As Mr. Sadler held no Armorial bearings design puns his name by depicting hunting items stocked by a 'Sadler'. Affiliation: 1 - Chiddingfold, Surrey; 2 - Farnham, Surrey; 3 - The Worshipful Company of Patternmakers. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 1st ship, Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; 1952 negotiations were in hand for loan service in the Indian Navy. This transfer was announced on 17th June and took place after refit by Messrs Crichton at Liverpool which completed in June 1953. This destroyer had been renamed INS Ganga (D94) on 27th November 1952 but did not formally join the Indian Navy until 18th June 1953. After trials and work-up in Home waters she took passage to India for Fleet service with sister ships INS Gomati (ex-HMS Lamerton) and INS Godaveri (ex-HMS Bedale), which had been loaned to Poland as ORP Slazakduring WW2). The loan service was extended in August 1956 and the ship bought outright in April 1958; Later a Training Ship; Paid Off and sold 1975. 2nd ship, Minehunter, 'Hunt' class.

Eridge - L68 - Sussex foxhunt founded in 1879. Between 1893 and 1929 Mastership was held by Neville family, Marquesses of Abergavenny, Bridge Park. Rose is from their Arms, horns link sport and class of ship. Remark: In 1981 this hunt amalgamated with the Southdown. Note: Stopford has rose being from Arms of Loder family. Affiliation: Crowborough, East Sussex. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Damaged Aug 1942 by E-Boat; Towed to Alexandria by HMS Aldenham (who sunk the E-Boat); HMS Eridge remained hulked at Alexandria and was used an Accommodation Ship between 1944 and 1946. She was also used as a valuable source of spares for the other 'Hunt' class destroyers in service in the Mediterranean. For example in April 1943 one of her shafts was used to replace the damaged item in HMS Aldenham after a grounding; Sold Oct 1946 Alexandria.

Ed

MelQuick

18-04-2010, 05:11

Ed

Many thanks. Magnificent job!

I particularly like the Chiddingfold badge. It brings back memories, as I used to stop for a drink in Chiddingfold's superb old hotel on the way back from work.

Mel

empiretocommonwealth

18-04-2010, 16:11

Hi Fyrbird,

Thanks for your reply - it did jog a memory - surprising these days with all the sawdust upstairs!

+ Anthony

Sorry Anthony I was miles away and forgot to answer your question .yes the endeavour is in fact a sail training vessel which was a gift from Britain to Australia for our Bi-centennial in 1988. It was built at Lowestoft and launched in 1986.

fleetchief

19-04-2010, 04:46

Hi Ed,Could you do HMS Larne,Latonia,Lauderdale,Launceston Castle,Leamington,Leda, for me please.

Peter.

As asked for, Peter

Finally got my "to-do's" down to single figures - 9 to go.

Larne - XXX & J274 - Harp from banner in Arms of Northern Ireland. The river and lough are in County Antrim, which has no grant of Arms. A three masted sailing vessel under full sail is depicted on armorial bearings used by town of Larne. 4 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Destroyer, 'L' class, but badge was not used, as ship was renamed HMS Gurkha before commissioning in June 1940. 4th ship, Minesweeper, 'Algerine' class; Allocated to 7th Minesweeper Flotilla. 31st July 1944, sailed for Mediterranean. Allied landings south coast of France 13th August 1944.(Operation Dragoon) Beached at Poros, East Coast of Greece, 16th October 1944 after being badly damaged by a mine the previous day during Operation Edgehill. Out of action for the rest of WWII. Sold to Italian Navy in 1946 and renamed Eritrea; Later renamed to Alabarda (1951) - Orphanage ship prior to Bu La Spezia. Note: I assume She used the 'Type' badge and did NOT inherit the Larne badge - Ed.

Latona - M76 - Greek myths tell of Latona fleeing to the island of Delos (green roundel) to escape wrath of Hera after laying with Zeus. Whilst there she gave birth to Apollo (sun) and Artemis (moon). The motto is appropriate for a fast minelayer. 4 ships have had this name. SP done for 4th ship, Fast Cruiser Minelayer, 'Abdiel' class; Sunk 25 Oct 1941 Italian aircraft off Libya, whilst supporting the Tobruk garrison. At the time she had 1000 Polish troops onboard. Ships of this class were later designated "Fast Minelayers". Latona was NEVER used in the intended role, but was used for transport of stores and personnel instead.

Lauderdale - L95 - Horsemen following this foxhound hunt centred on Roxburgh, Berwickshire, Scottish Borders, wear red uniform coats (field). Hunt country was taken over by Duke of Buccleuch in 1826, his Arms include a stag. Bugle refers to sport and class of ship. Affiliation: Berwickshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Lent Greek Navy 4 May 1946 - 12 Nov 1959 as Aigaion; Paid Off 23 Sep 1959; Discarded 12 Dec 1959; BU 1960 Greece.

Launceston Castle - K397 - A castle in Cornwall. Part Arms of Launceston, Cornwall, dating from 1573. The lion's head crest of the Earls of Cornwall and the Borough Arms of the town are combined. 5 ships had the name Launceston but only 1 ship has had the name Launceston Castle, Corvette, 'Castle' class; Arrived 3 Aug 1959 J.A. White, St. David's, for BU.

Leamington - G19 - From Arms of Royal Leamington Spa, Warwickshire. Affiliation: Leamington. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'Montgomery' class Type B, (ex-USS Twiggs); US Lend/Lease; Commissioned RN 23 Oct 1940; Lent RCN Dec 1942 - Dec 1943; Lent Russian Navy 16 Jul 1944 - 16 Nov 1950 as Zhguchi; Sold 26 Jul 1951; Arrived Cashmore, Newport 3 Dec 1951, for BU.

Leda- N93 - The Greek myth of Zeus and Leda. Zeus visited Leda, wife of the King of Sparta and mother to Castor and Pollux, in guise of a swan. Remark: Sir Arthur also punned the name by including a chain and collar - Lead Her. Affiliation: Kingsbridge, Devon. 6 ships have had this name. SP done for 6th ship, Minesweeper, 'Halcyon' class; Sunk 20 Sep 1942 by U.435 in Greenland Sea.

Ed

Scratcher

19-04-2010, 06:24

Hi Ed,Again,very many thanks.

Peter.

ltotenby

19-04-2010, 07:39

ED - when you have the time is there any chance of - ALBION - ALDENHAM - ALECTO - ALLINGTON CASTLE - ALNWICK CASTLE..... Many thanks, George.

Tom Grant

19-04-2010, 16:50

fleetchief

20-04-2010, 03:31

ED - when you have the time is there any chance of - ALBION - ALDENHAM - ALECTO - ALLINGTON CASTLE - ALNWICK CASTLE..... Many thanks, George.

Here they are.

Albion - Notes previously posted.

Aldenham - L22 - Name honours a harrier hunt in Hertfordshire, battle-axes from Arms of Gibbs family who founded the pack in 1879, anchor from Arms of Walker family who re-established the hunt in 1920. The field is from the County Arms. Affiliation: Aldenham, Hertfordshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Sunk 14 Dec 1944 by mine in Adriatic - Last ROyal Navy destroyer sunk in WWII.

Alecto - J10 - One of the Furies of Greek mythology. They are usually depicted with serpents entwined in their hair. 4 ships have had this name. SP done for 4th ship, Submarine Depot Ship; Sold 7 Jul 1949, BU Llanelly.

Allington Castle - K689 - During 1282, Sir Stephen of Penchester strengthened his Kent manor house into this castle, red cross is taken from his Arms. Later (1450 - 1554) the Wyatt family became its owners, their Arms include a pheon. Affiliation: Alsagar, Cheshire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Corvette, 'Castle' class; (ex-Alington Castle), renamed Jun 1944, (ex-Amaryllis), renamed May 1943.

Alnwick Castle - K405 - Seat of Percy family, Dukes of Northumberland. Lion is crest to family Arms, Crescent is one of the Percy badges. Only 1 ship has had this name, Corvette, 'Castle' class; Arrived Dec 1951 King, Gatehead, for BU.

Ed

MelQuick

20-04-2010, 04:30

Ed

When you can, could you please do Bedale, Belvoir, Bleasdale, Holcombe and Haldon?

Many thanks in advance.

Mel

greg bryant

20-04-2010, 04:39

I have about 60 of these redone badges from sketches,ready to post.
But as i have been told by a member on this thread by PM,my last post was totaly useless. GOODBY FORUM.
Greg

joseph bonnici

20-04-2010, 04:54

can t believe there s such heartless people around Greg , stay calm don t rush things bye JOseph

MelQuick

20-04-2010, 05:10

I have about 60 of these redone badges from sketches,ready to post.
But as i have been told by a member on this thread by PM,my last post was totaly useless. GOODBY FORUM.
Greg

Greg

Don't let people like that put you off! The vast majority of us appreciate your contributions to this forum.

Mel

nogrub

20-04-2010, 08:06

I have about 60 of these redone badges from sketches,ready to post.
But as i have been told by a member on this thread by PM,my last post was totaly useless. GOODBY FORUM.
Greg

Greg.
I totally agree with Joseph there are some heartless people around, I do appreciate all posts, and your posts are great, so just keep them coming.
Regards
Harry

steve roberts

20-04-2010, 09:16

I have about 60 of these redone badges from sketches,ready to post.
But as i have been told by a member on this thread by PM,my last post was totaly useless. GOODBY FORUM.
Greg

Greg.I don't post on this thread very often,but always look in as I find it fascinating.Please do not let this one bad post put you off.
Regards Steve.

astraltrader

20-04-2010, 10:28

Sorry to read about this Greg.

As you can see your contributions would be missed so please reconsider my friend.

SCRG1970

20-04-2010, 12:55

Greg

I would ask you to reconsider withdrawing your support for the forum. As a fellow collector of Unofficials I have found your input invaluable in increasing mine and I am sure many others knowledge.
Your postings, together with Tom and Anthony ,have added a new dimension to the subject and you only have to look at the viewing figures to see that you, along with Alan and Ed, can take the credit for it.
Please do not let ONE PM of criticism prevent you from continuing your sharing of knowledge.

IT IS APPRECIATED.

Regards

Gerry

tomparry

20-04-2010, 14:39

I have about 60 of these redone badges from sketches,ready to post.
But as i have been told by a member on this thread by PM,my last post was totaly useless. GOODBY FORUM.
Greg

Greg
Don't let one comment put you off. Your contribution is really appreciated by me & I'm sure by most of the Forum members. Keep them coming, especially with them being unofficial.
regards,
tomparry

ltotenby

20-04-2010, 15:50

Greg - things to do - Sit back and say - "There's Always One".... Next, forget all about it - Next, post your next brilliant unofficial Badge... Best wishes, and please carry on.... George

mik43

20-04-2010, 16:10

Greg

Agree with all the comments made in previous posts, please reconsider staying, this thread needs you.

Mik

empiretocommonwealth

20-04-2010, 17:03

I tell ye what ....

Why don't we just have the guy who wrote whatever upset Greg just apologise.

This forum is one of the friendliest so we don't have to go around upsetting all.

Greg - love y'stuff.

+ Anthony

fleetchief

20-04-2010, 18:54

I object to being criticised by people, who do NOT KNOW the full story. I contribute enough to this forum, to let me make a FAIR comment on a posting. To make it clear to everyone, Greg posted a single image that had about 60 unofficial badges on it, and apologised for the quality but stated that's what he was sent. I looked at it and found that it was impossible to discern any detail, so I sent the following private message to Greg:

QUOTE

Greg,

Assuming those badges are from Del & Mike in NZ, they have the capability to send the badges as INDIVIDUAL decent size images (500Kb), because that's what they used to send me.

The image as posted is, to be honest, useless as it is impossible to blow it up to see any detail on the individual badges.

Cheers,

Ed

UNQUOTE.

Note that I was referring to that one specific image of multiple badges, and not the individual images that Greg has posted, and I think this is clear in my message to him, and nowhere in Greg's posting did he specify that that single image was a montage of badges that he had and that he would post as individual images later. I have just gone through the postings of the last few days and see that Greg's posting, that I was commenting on, has miraculously either disappeared or been edited so that the image I was commenting on is no longer posted. This means none of you can assess the fairness of the content of my private message to Greg.

That particular image was not of much use and I thought I would do the courteous thing and send Greg a Private Message to say so, instead of sending a Public Message.

I'm sorry Greg has taken this the wrong way, but I believe my comment was justified.

Ed

astraltrader

20-04-2010, 19:52

Ed and Mik - just please both of you hang fire until I contact you both by PM. :)

astraltrader

20-04-2010, 20:16

Everybody on the thread -

after receiving a PM from Greg, seeing the PM sent to Greg by Ed and also observing the comment made by Mik then I think we will all take a deep breath and start again!! :)

I am sure that everybody in the thread will agree with me that we would all hate to lose either Greg or Ed who have both contributed so much to the thread - especially over a PM sent that after we have all read it was obviously to the point but not intended to be unpleasant.

Miks choice of word [now removed] was unfortunate but to be fair he didnt know what was sent or who sent it.

Hopefully all of this can now be put behind us and we can all get on with enjoying this one of the forums most popular threads. :)

Dreadnought

20-04-2010, 21:55

I, like many others on this Forum, have a keen interest in ship's badges, and whilst not a regular contributor, follow his thread avidly. I have stated before, that this is undoubtedly the best reference point on the internet for ships badges. The number of posts and views clearly illustrate a worldwide appreciation. Credit for this must be given to many of the original and regular contributors, as well as the very valuable contributions from newer members. I do not propose to try an do an oscar presentaion speech here, but have to give enormous credit in the first instance to Alan Benn who did so much to develop this thread, and more recently Ed (Fleetchief). This does in no way denegrate contributions from others; Joseph, Tom, and many many others.

The point of this post really is to, on behalf of us casual but passionate followers to say a really big thank you to all of those that have been repsonsible in maintaining this wonderful thread ... absolutely one of the best on the Forum.

So Greg, please take some satisfaction in how much your contributions are really appreciated, and that I for one, along with, I am sure, many other "silent" followers, would be very very sad if your enthusiasm for continuing with your input here is dulled over what appears to be a misunderstanding.

So, please guys, keep it coming, and sincere thanks once again for making this such a great place to visit.

empiretocommonwealth

20-04-2010, 22:11

Hi Ed,

I think your posting your comments enabled a peace to be drawn! Nice one. :)

Meanwhile YOU can't leave this thread *points to nail in foot fastened to floor * ....... We like what ye do too y'know.

+ Anthony

dennis a feary

21-04-2010, 13:52

Hello, completely agree with all those that commiserate with GREG on the `totaly useless' comment. Do not let `em get at you Greg. Would that I had the expertise to post such things that you do. May I respectfully suggest that you follow that awful American generals dictum ` I shall return' !!!!

I felt a little the same at being `ignored' at some of my seeming `inane, useless, risque, awful' comments of mine. So I have `left' that Thread & confine myself to `useful entries'.

BRUCE - Propose visiting PRO tomorrow, so hope to have news on SIGNAL Books.

Sadsac

21-04-2010, 15:13

Just to say that I too view this thread as and when I can. In fact, it is the single most viewed thread on the forum - I just checked today. Keep up the good work!

mik43

21-04-2010, 16:34

To all readers of this thread, please accept my apologies for any offence caused.

Regards

Mik

Tom Grant

21-04-2010, 18:06

Greetings Alan and other Members

Following on from The Badge of "FORWARD" and knowing the one posted by Ed is the official badge ,has anyone seen this badge, It has some connection with the Birmingham badge ie arm and mallet,

Regards Tom

empiretocommonwealth

21-04-2010, 21:16

Hi All,

Firstly Tom - I've never seen anything like the badge you've just posted ...

I'm looking at 'Military' Hospitals at the moment - and I know that there was a Naval Military Hospital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Naval_Hospital_(Hong_Kong))

My question is - did it have a badge? i.e. like RNH Gibraltar etc? Were there Naval Hospitals (say) in Malaya, Singapore etc. - and the same question applies .......

Thanks for your help,

+ Anthony

JackW1208

21-04-2010, 21:27

empiretocommonwealth

21-04-2010, 21:32

JackW1208

21-04-2010, 21:37

Hi Ed,

If Jack's right - can I have an HMS Forward badge for the RNR/RNVR collection please!

Thank you!

+ Anthony

Hi Jack,

Thanks for that! ;) I'm working on RNVR & RNR badges at the moment - how's that for timing!

Hi +Anthony, go to the following link:

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operations-and-support/royal-naval-reserve/training-centres/hms-forward-birmingham/

Cheers,
Jack.

empiretocommonwealth

21-04-2010, 21:43

Hi Jack,

Thanks for that link!! Does exactly what it says on the tin :D

+ Anthony

tomparry

22-04-2010, 15:16

Hi Ed,

If Jack's right - can I have an HMS Forward badge for the RNR/RNVR collection please!

Thank you!

+ Anthony

Hi Jack,

Thanks for that! ;) I'm working on RNVR & RNR badges at the moment - how's that for timing!

Anthony
This this is Ed's Badge for HMS Forward that he posted earlier.
tomparry

empiretocommonwealth

22-04-2010, 15:43

Hi Tom/Ed,

Thanks for that image Tom ... but it is different than the one that is on the Royal Navy Site for HMS Forward ... at post 4590.

So now I'm confused!

+ Anthony

Dreadnought

23-04-2010, 11:15

Came across this the other day, and although of poor quality, I thought it may be of interest. No information about it.

empiretocommonwealth

23-04-2010, 11:29

Hi Clive,

Thanks for showing us the Russian emblems.

It's nice to see that the emblem/heraldic theme of the British Navy caught on for the rest of the world .... that is with hugely presuming we were first!

+ Anthony

Seagull

23-04-2010, 13:11

Greg

I'm really keen to see your sketches. Please post them by PM if you are not ready yet to return! It seems that everyone misses you.

Also, is there a thread to request information about medals or other such things? There exists such a piece printed regarding Byng and the battle of Menorca (1756). Can anyone help?
Segull

SCRG1970

24-04-2010, 15:40

Twenty four hours without a post on the most popular thread !!!! Thats unheard of !!!!

Just to kick start things any identification on this "unofficial?"

The S Class Destroyer would be a good guess, but what about the ABU bit??

The alternative is the ABS vessel TARA hired in 1914 and sunk in 1915. I would plump for this as she was the ex mercantile Hibernia and there is a similarity in the badges for HMS Hibernia.

Any thoughts gentlemen ??

Regards

Gerry

PS Where are Ed and Greg ??? Victims of Volcanic Ash ????

Scratcher

24-04-2010, 16:14

I have seen this badge in the not to distant past on this thread,but here is the same badge, different format.I am sure Tom Grant can throw so light on the subject.

RNfanDan

24-04-2010, 16:22

A pity, indeed that one poster's over-reaction has created such a stir. I hope everyone will realize that the real problem in all this, is the abuse --intentional or otherwise-- of the PM system at this forum. I will explain...

PM (Private Messaging, for those unfamiliar with the feature) is intended to be just what it says...PRIVATE. I have used this facility not only here, but at most other forums to which I belong and/or frequent. Think of it as a sidebar, an off-room if you will, where members can exchange notes, comments, questions (and yes, CRITICISM), etc., WITHOUT the inherent publicity of posting to the open forum. It is a "safe haven", not to be taken lightly.

Therefore, when a private message is inappropriately "laundered" in the open, in my opinion, a transgression has occurred; that transgression being self-evident as a VIOLATION of the privacy such a system is intended to provide, in the first place! For this, I'm afraid I cannot condone the behaviour of any member who so violates the intended use of private messaging, granted us all by the administrators of this forum.

Not only has a poster recently abused that system's intended purpose by "airing his laundry" for all to see, but even worse, has apparently chosen to withhold further contributions to the forum. That is his right, of course, exercisable at any time of his choosing. On the other hand, by doing so in this way, he has effectively chosen to transfer blame for his indignation to all others here who were NOT party to the priveleged communication he felt slighted by, many of whom valued his contributions, insight, and opinions to the forum. Too bad for us all!

What then followed (predictably), was a flurry of ill-considered responses in support of that poster's indignation, none of which were made with knowledge of the facts surrounding the matter--a matter which should not have been brought to the fore, as previously explained, out of a private communication.

Such behaviour is unacceptable, in my opinion, and I think I am right to raise these points. Private messages, whatever their content, should remain just that--PRIVATE!--to be kept between sender and receiver. If a PM is deemed abusive, inappropriate, or offensive, the WRONG thing to do, in my opinion, is to air it in public. It's none of THEIR business to be involved. We all have bad days, and knee-jerk reactions are seldom the correct course to take in such matters. I know this because I, too have been guilty of same!

If you receive what seems an inappropriate PM, please do the proper thing and report it PRIVATELY to a moderator and/or admin, if you are incapable of dealing with it. Just as with the recent matter causing all the fuss, it can turn out to be a complete misunderstanding, resolvable by cooler heads and mitigated by keeping it OUT of the public eye!

This is one of the best threads to be found anywhere, and I fear we have lost two valued posters, each of whom has given us much to appreciate here. It's shameful that it was handled so poorly.

empiretocommonwealth

24-04-2010, 16:32

empiretocommonwealth

24-04-2010, 16:36

Hi RNfanDan,

I think that this thread has become hugely popular because of the likes of Alan Benn, Ed (Fleetchief) and Tom Grant who willingly share both their knowledge and their amazing art work.

All 3 have helped me with my Project which I will be, and will remain, very grateful for.

I'm hoping it now business as usual as their expertise is to be respected and admired from such a total novice as myself. You are correct, this is the friendliest forum around and I hope it remains so.

+ Anthony

joseph bonnici

24-04-2010, 17:00

RN Fan Dan i totally agree with your explanation ,hope common sense will prevail, i will deeply miss Ed s mastery if he decides to quit ,the original badges is my favourite subject, be bold and let bygones be bygones ,Joseph

Dave Hutson

24-04-2010, 17:22

Likewise, everyone who logs on to this Forum immediately becomes a friend and friendships can withstand the odd squabble. I never found a messdeck where a difference of opinion or ruffled feathers could not be settled amiably.

The importance of this thread is paramount as is shown by the number of hits and that is down to the guys that contribute to it. Thus we who only look in and occasionally make a contribution can't and don't want to lose any of our friends.

So please guys - in true Naval fashion - shake hands and move over to the Wardroom and down a couple.

No more to be said from me.

empiretocommonwealth

24-04-2010, 17:38

It's your chit though Dave!!!! :D:D:D

Dave Hutson

24-04-2010, 17:41

Anthony --- if I thought it would get them all back on I'd willingly finance the night and throw in big eats. Oh, and a big bone for Churchill.

SCRG1970

24-04-2010, 18:22

Hi All,

HMS Tara - unofficial badges are what have been shown above.

There seems to be some confusion between HMS Tara and HMS Hibernia - as both used the harp as their badge - however the Tara harp does not have a figurehead on it.

+ Anthony

No confusion between the two Anthony. I ventured the theory that the unofficial was probably from the ABS vessel as it was ex merchant Hibernia and the harp depicted was an Irish harp.

Regards

gerry

Tom Grant

24-04-2010, 19:07

Greetings All

Please look at Posts 4273,4276,4277,4279, I would think that this has been through the mill and sorted out ,

Best Regards Tom

Dreadnought

24-04-2010, 20:20

If you receive what seems an inappropriate PM, please do the proper thing and report it PRIVATELY to a moderator and/or admin, if you are incapable of dealing with it. Just as with the recent matter causing all the fuss, it can turn out to be a complete misunderstanding, resolvable by cooler heads and mitigated by keeping it OUT of the public eye!

This is one of the best threads to be found anywhere, and I fear we have lost two valued posters, each of whom has given us much to appreciate here. It's shameful that it was handled so poorly.

It is difficult not to agree with your observations and comments on this one, and I hope everyone takes due note.

Thanks Dan.

SCRG1970

24-04-2010, 20:44

Greetings All

Please look at Posts 4273,4276,4277,4279, I would think that this has been through the mill and sorted out ,

Best Regards Tom

Thanks for that Tom. Somehow I missed that and the TARA unofficial came to me from another source. Sorry for going over well trodden ground.

Regards

Gerry

empiretocommonwealth

24-04-2010, 22:32

See! I told you Tom was wise ;)

Scratcher

25-04-2010, 10:41

Does anyone have an example of the Official Badge of HMS Nugent please.

Peter.

SCRG1970

25-04-2010, 13:25

Peter

I don`t think there is an Official for Nugent. I do have an Unofficial.

Regards

Gerry

Scratcher

25-04-2010, 13:41

Thanks for that Gerry,this is what I have.It came from e-bay.I have nothing to compare it with.

Peter.

Tom Grant

25-04-2010, 14:51

Peter

I don`t think there is an Official for Nugent. I do have an Unofficial.

Regards

Gerry

Greetings Gerry
is your unofficial badge of NUGENT the same as the badge Peter has put up on the Forum of the Moon Class Destroyer of 1915 sold for Scrap in 1921,
if not can i please see your badge

Regards Tom

astraltrader

25-04-2010, 15:24

Totally agree with your sentiments as well Dan [post#4603 above] - but just would like to add a couple of small points.

Firstly - anything like this should be reported to one of the moderators and not the Administrator.

Finally - Ed has not left the forum. :)

SCRG1970

25-04-2010, 15:56

Tom/Peter

Yes thats the one I have.......and obviously from the same site. The guy who had it for sale has been pretty accurate in his descriptions of other unofficials so this one is probably from Nugent. Nice if someone else could confirm it.

Regards

gerry

Scratcher

25-04-2010, 18:52

Help Please,Is this badge Official or Unofficial.It appears to be for HMS Bedford,but she was Launched 1901 Wrecked 1910 and sold late 1910.I don't think there was another HMS Bedford.This badge appears to be in a modern style.

Peter.

SCRG1970

25-04-2010, 19:16

Further to my post on TARA I have just realised that this one adorns the walls of Chatham Dockyard Museum.

Regards

gerry

joseph bonnici

25-04-2010, 19:52

Terry glad to hear Ed is still with us:cool: Joseph

fleetchief

25-04-2010, 23:34

Scratcher

26-04-2010, 04:27

Thanks for that Ed.

Peter.

Scratcher

26-04-2010, 04:45

Ed Could you do HMS Largo Bay,Largs Bay, Lark, for me please.

Peter.

billbuntintosser

26-04-2010, 08:36

HI Alan

A neighbour of mine was a shipwright on the Cavalier just before she "retired" to Chatham - he would like to know if you have both the Cavalier and the Laughing Cavalier badges ?

Bill

Having had some interest already in ship's badges I thought I might start a new thread of ship's badges.
perhaps we could link it with photo's of the ships past and present, depicted by the badge, or even comparisons with the photo's of badges and those wall mounted plaster ones. Here's a few for starters.
regards
Alan

Scratcher

26-04-2010, 16:22

Will these do for now.

billbuntintosser

26-04-2010, 19:34

Thanks for that Scratcher - have taken the shine off his hat if your interested.

Bill

Will these do for now.

Tom Grant

26-04-2010, 20:01

Greetings Ed

Tom Grant

26-04-2010, 20:12

Greetings Ed

I have lots of information on Trawlers etc during the war, Not covered by the type badge for miscellaneous small vessels passed as AFO 674/56, would it be correct to use the patrol service badge for these vessels as that badge was around during the war, I am aware that HARRY TATES Navy all wore this small silver badge with pride, but it does seem to be available as a type badge before the Misc Small Vessels Badge was used, and if so which one of these badges would fill this gap as a type badge

Regards Tom

empiretocommonwealth

26-04-2010, 22:08

Hi Ed,

Has it been a common occurance that a ship's badge was used for another ship (as in the discussion above for Windsor/Bedford)?

Thanks,

+ Anthony

fleetchief

27-04-2010, 22:47

Hi Ed,

Has it been a common occurance that a ship's badge was used for another ship (as in the discussion above for Windsor/Bedford)?

Thanks,

+ Anthony

Hi Anthony,

As far as I know, it was a fairly rare occurence.

There are more examples of a pre-1918 unofficial badge used by a ship, becoming the official badge for that ship, with maybe minor variations.

Ed

MelQuick

28-04-2010, 13:43

Hi Everyone

Does anyone know if the S class destroyer Truant had an official badge?

Mel

SCRG1970

28-04-2010, 15:27

Mel
Nothing recorded but I have this unofficial

Regards

gerry

MelQuick

28-04-2010, 16:03

Mel
Nothing recorded but I have this unofficial

Regards

gerry

Gerry

Many thanks.

Mel

empiretocommonwealth

28-04-2010, 17:08

Hi All,

I wrote a post earlier - and now not even I can find it (d'oh!) ....

I've seen the badges for some of the naval hospital, Haslar, Gibraltar etc - but were there ever any badges for Naval Hospitals in Hong Kong, Malta, Singapore, Malaya - and other 'colonial' outposts?

If there were, I would very much like to see them!

Many thanks,

+ Anthony

JackW1208

28-04-2010, 17:24

Hi Anthony, your lost post is at Ships/badges - crests #4591!!

Cheers
Jack.

empiretocommonwealth

28-04-2010, 22:05

Hi Jack,

Ah there it is, so it is!

But I didn't get an answer then - and I'm thinking there must have been badges for these naval hospitals surely?

+ Anthony

JackW1208

28-04-2010, 23:02

Hi Anthony, I'm not into badges per se, but do like looking at them.
I would be of the opinion that every naval establishment/ship would have some badge/crest, so maybe they will surface in due course.

Regards,
Jack.

tomparry

29-04-2010, 12:12

Hi Everyone

Does anyone know if the S class destroyer Truant had an official badge?

Mel

Mel
Anything you need to know about submarine badge take a look at this website: http://www.submariners.co.uk/Dits/Badges/index.php

tomparry

MelQuick

29-04-2010, 13:57

Tom

Thanks for that.

Mel

fleetchief

30-04-2010, 05:53

You will all be glad to know that, after 2 weeks of slogging, I beat Canada's Income Tax deadline of April 30, and got mine & Jennifer's 2009 Income Tax Returns filed, by EFile, this evening. No tax due!!!

This work was interposed with sorting out the U.K. Tax Office, that suddenly, after 28 years, decided to give me a PAYE code of 441P, instead of the NT (No Tax) that it has been since moving to Canada. They finally found out that my data had been moved incorrectly to their new computer system. I am now correctly coded as NT again. However, the Paymaster General had already taken tax off my Navy Pension for April, so I have to see if that gets paid back in May.

Now all of that is done, I am back!!!!!

Now that I can actually see I have a desk, rather than 100's of receipts and sheets of paper covering it, I will be able to use my references for the badge postings.

To give me the occassional break, from the Tax Return, I have doodled away and not only finally finished all the untouched badges, but have completed the orders from George, Mel, Peter & Tom, and I will start posting those tomorrow, in the order they were placed.

To date, all the following Badges are now in Final - J, K, P, O, T, U, V, X, Y & Z, having cleared the last 'V' tonight.

The remainder will be cleared in the following order - N (2), O (3), H (6), L (6), I (8), E (13), M (13), P (13), R (14), F (18), G (19), D (21), U (21), A (26), B (39), C (47), S 52) and finally FAA (108).

Obviously some of these WILL get done out of turn, in order to fulfill your orders.

And, YES, I was a bit pissed off with some of the comments posted, by people who did not know the full story of my PW to Greg, and jumped in with both feet in response to his public farewell, after he had deleted the posting that I commented on, so that none of you could see it!!!!! And I did seriously consider leaving the Forum and just continuing work on the badges, for my own personal gratification. However, I did received many Private Messages, apologizing for comments made and asking me to stay in the Forum.

The one person who knew I had not left, and told you so, was the moderator. He did not tell you I was up to my eyeballs in Annual Tax Return, which he knew but didn't tell you, because I had said, 'Let them stew for a while, while I do the Tax Return'. Well done, Terry.

This post also replies to the many PW's, so I won't repeat myself by answering any PW unless it is about something else not covered above.

Ed

MelQuick

30-04-2010, 06:01

Ed

Welcome back.

Mel

nogrub

30-04-2010, 06:54

Ed.
Welcome back, hope everything is back to normal,on this Forum, and your personal problems.
Regards
Harry

alanbenn

30-04-2010, 08:03

Hi Everyone

Does anyone know if the S class destroyer Truant had an official badge?

Mel

Mel, this very same question has been asked a couple of times before earlier in the thread. No official badge was issued, but there have been several 'unofficial' badges created, some of which you'll find posted if you have the time to look back over the thread.

Regards
Alan

MelQuick

30-04-2010, 10:39

Mel, this very same question has been asked a couple of times before earlier in the thread. No official badge was issued, but there have been several 'unofficial' badges created, some of which you'll find posted if you have the time to look back over the thread.

Regards
Alan

Alan

Thanks a lot. My old brain has entered the 'wrinkly' stage - I must have missed them.

Mel

Tom Grant

30-04-2010, 16:55

Wow Ed,

Glad we never lost you to the Taxman for ever, I was getting withdrawl
symptoms, Bought a nice book today about the badges in the drydock at Simons town, So i have had a double wammy the new book and now i find you are back on the Forum,

Regards Tom

Dave Hutson

30-04-2010, 17:00

Vegaskip

30-04-2010, 18:37

As a bit of light relief, here is a 'spoof' badge I designed and had made while in Hong Kong, on the Ark in the mid 60's

77016

Regards

Tom Grant

30-04-2010, 20:42

Hi Tom,

Some time ago I was on about the Cat Class [Lynx, Leopard, Puma and Jaguar] having had their crests adorning one wall of the Drydock in Simonstown when they were SA & SA Squadron. Does that appear in the book ? If so, any chance of a photo.

Dave H
Greetings Dave yes they are all in the book but as i have just got it and haven't really looked at it and not sorted out the info for my collection ,but as soon as i sort them out i will send you the 4 pictures from the wall, the book has 137 badges and some i had not seen before , guess they are unofficial but thats ok as i collect them as well as official
Regards Tom

Canterburyfan

30-04-2010, 20:52

Hi,
Would anyone have an unofficial for the R class Destroyer HMS Thisbe.
Thanks
Mike

fleetchief

01-05-2010, 06:01

Greetings Ed

Sorry about the large list and thanks for the MASTIFF (TUG), I am still collecting "M"s, If i could please have some more "M"s, I am pleased to read that you only have 9 more to update before your collection is all done up,

Could i please have MYRMIDON,MUSKETEER,MOORHEN,MORECOMBE BAY, MORPETH CASTLE,MOTH,MOUNTS BAY,MULL OF GALLOWAY,MULL OF KINTYRE

Thanks and regards Tom

Hi Tom,

After a long wait, here they are. Mull of Kintyre was a bummer, with those plants.

Moorhen - ??? - Also known as the waterhen. Found wherever there is water. 3 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, River Gunboat; Sold Aug 1933 Hong Kong for BU.

Morecambe Bay - F624 - An 18th century town. Badge taken from town Arms. Red rose locates bay off Lancashire coast, wavelets represent four rivers which empty into this bay, i.e. the Kent, Kear, Leven and Winster. Only 1 ship has had this name, Frigate, 'Bay' class, originally laid down as Loch Heilen; Sold 9 May 1961 Portugese Navy and renamed Dom Francisco De Almeida; Discarded 7 Sep 1970.

Morpeth Castle - K693 - The manor of Morpeth was granted to William de Merlay soon after the conquest, he is reputed to have built this Norman castle, now in ruins. Later, manor and borough passed to family of Greystock. A marlet features in the Arms of Merlay, the Greystock Arms depict three chaplets of red roses. The marlet was assumed to fly without landing and is therefore always shown without feet. Only 1 ship has had this name, Corvette, 'Castle' class; Arrived 9 Aug 1960 Rees, Llanelly, for BU.

Moth - The Atlas moth is a large moth found in the tropical and subtropical forests of Southeast Asia. Badge designed for a 1915 shallow draft River gunboat. Only 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, River Gunboat, 'Insect' class; Scuttled 12 Dec 1941 Hong Kong after bomb damage; Salved and commissioned as Japanese Suma; Sunk 19 Mar 1945 mine.

Mounts Bay - F627 & L3008 - St. Michael's Mount stands in this bay, on the south Cornish coast. The saint is symblized by the unusual cross pommee of St. Michael. Affiliation: Falmouth, Cornwall. Only 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 1st ship, Frigate, 'Bay' class, originally laid down as Loch Kilbirnie; To Portugese Navy as Vasgo Da Gama; Sold 21 Dec 1971 for demolition. Badge updated for 2nd ship, RFA, 'Bay' class; Auxiliary Landing Ship Dock.

Mull of Galloway - F26 - "Headland of the Horse", once inhabited by the Horse People, of Scandinavian origin. The finest pit ponies were bred on this most southerly point of Scotland, they were known as 'Galloways'. Only 1 ship has had this name, Repair Ship, (ex-Kinnairds Head), renamed Apr 1945; BU 1965 Hamburg

Mull of Kintyre - F86 - On the Scottish West Coast. Clan badges of the Macdonnell & Campbell clans. Only 1 ship has had this name, Repair Ship; Arrived Hong Kong 25 Jan 1970 for BU.

Musketeer - G86 - A marine of 1805. Affiliation: The London Borough of East Barnet. Only 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Destroyer, 'Matchless' class (cost of £462,543) ; Sold 3 Dec 1955, BU Young, Sunderland.

Myrmidon - G90 - Greek myth, Aegina, after being swept by plagues, was re-populated by Zeus turning a swarm of ants into people. As warriors they were renowned for carrying out any order remorselessly, especially those forming part of Achilles' army at Troy. The name is interpreted from a word meaning 'ant' in Greek. 8 ships have had this name. SP done for 6th ship, Destroyer, 'M' class; Lent to Polish Navy Nov 1942 and renamed Orkan; Sunk 8 Oct 1943 by U.378 south of Iceland. 7th ship, Minesweeper, 'Algerine' class; Arrived 2 Dec 1958 Ward, Briton Ferry, for BU. 8th ship, Coastal Minesweeper, 'Ton' class; Originally HMS Edderton, renamed HMS Myrmidon Apr 1964 and employed as a Survey vessel; Sold Malaysian Navy and renamed Perantau Mar 1969; Deleted 1990.

Ed

bill19637

01-05-2010, 06:43

Hope not 'butting in', but if it helps - following are listings on this forum for HMS TRUANT

Plaques - Page 24 Article No 591 and Page 154 Article No 3826

Badges - Page 66 Article No 1645 [two versions] and Page 154 Article 3831

Hope I've got that right

MelQuick

01-05-2010, 06:50

fleetchief

01-05-2010, 07:21

My apologies George, You should have been first for badges, and then Tom, then Mel and finally, Peter. Will post your badges tomorrow; Mel on Sunday and Peter on Monday.

Cheers,

Ed

Tom Grant

01-05-2010, 08:05

Hi,
Would anyone have an unofficial for the R class Destroyer HMS Thisbe.
Thanks
Mike

Greetings Mike
i have looked through my books and can not see a unofficial badge for thisbe,
but who knows there may be one out there somewere, This is what i have for thisbe, one of my originals and the much improved version that i got from Ed ( Thanks Ed)

regards Tom

Tom Grant

01-05-2010, 08:10

Goodmorning Ed

Thanks for the Badges once again, I will do some cherrypicking for a while before i ask for more but i am doing up my "M" book as you have guessed and i am still short a few of those,so if and when you can i would appreciate some more "M"s ,

Nice to have you back !!!!

Regards Tom

Tom Grant

01-05-2010, 08:20

Greetings Alan

Looking through my new book "The badges from the drydock in Simonstown, once again the UKNOWN badge we discussed on a earlier post has arrived, i am thinking it may be Nigeria but not completed ( remember these were done during the war, and perhaps the painter, and the ship got called away) there are a few spelling mistakes on the badges ,but they a being updated by South African Dockies (So the book say's) and their English is not very good, before some one decided to preserve these badges they fell into a poor state of repair , hence the spellings etc,

Regards Tom

Tom Grant

01-05-2010, 08:25

Sorry Forgot the named badge

steve roberts

01-05-2010, 09:11

Tom Grant

01-05-2010, 09:49

Hi Tom. Not wishing to throw a spanner in the works.Is there any chance this badge (Unknown) could be of Israeli origin? They had a couple of SAAR CLASS missile boats down there operating out of Simonstown,during missile proving tests.Reputedly a Nuclear missile test,closely disguised and explained away as a Soviet Hotel11 class submarine exploding?
Regards Steve.

Greetings Steve,

You could be right, the symbol has got Isreali connections, looking like the Star Of David

Regards Tom

Canterburyfan

01-05-2010, 10:35

Greetings Mike
i have looked through my books and can not see a unofficial badge for thisbe,
but who knows there may be one out there somewere, This is what i have for thisbe, one of my originals and the much improved version that i got from Ed ( Thanks Ed)

regards Tom

Thanks Tom,
I will keep hunting,might be one out there.
Thanks
Mike

MelQuick

01-05-2010, 10:57

My apologies George, You should have been first for badges, and then Tom, then Mel and finally, Peter. Will post your badges tomorrow; Mel on Sunday and Peter on Monday.

Cheers,

Ed

Ed

Thanks in anticipation.

Mel

MelQuick

01-05-2010, 10:59

Greetings Steve,

You could be right, the symbol has got Isreali connections, looking like the Star Of David

Regards Tom

Hi

See also the badges for HMS Niger and HMS Nigeria.

Mel

Tom Grant

01-05-2010, 15:58

Greeting Alan

I have come across this old ships badge for HMS MALLOW, I also have a write up about this badge ,other than that nothing and this extract is from the MCDOA Archive 2, what was a mine clearance Service badge

A metal Mine Clearance Service badge forms the centre-piece and this is surrounded by smaller metal shields detailing 'Minefields Swept' including: Wellington, New Zealand; Aukland, New Zealand; Eden, Australia; and Anamba, Singapore. The Mine Clearance Service badge is a rarity because the RN has issued very few branch badges in metal and this particular badge was worn for only a short period during WW I.

rumrat

01-05-2010, 16:11

On the subject of Minesweeping Badges/ Crest's this one was issued to ships company's of ABDIEL, WILTON BOSSINGTON and MAXTON after the Suez Canal Mine Cearance in 1974 and was circular in shape.
Regards
Dave

ltotenby

01-05-2010, 17:27

empiretocommonwealth

01-05-2010, 17:45

Hi All,

Looking at that 'star of David above the Nigerian flag under colonial rule is below and so that star does look different as is the colour of it. Also the Nigerian Star did have the crown in it's centre, so it may well be of another origin.

The Star of David is also a slightly different proportion and colour. ...

Am I right?

+ Anthony (the Amateur!)

fleetchief

01-05-2010, 23:36

empiretocommonwealth

01-05-2010, 23:49

Hi Tom

Very interesting badge ye have there, had me turning my head upside down reading the words!!! (Well, I'm Irish - helloooo!!)

I went looking on wikipedia to see where Anamba was (as I'd never heard of it!) and it seems to be the property of Indonesia? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anambas_Islands)

I wonder what we were doing there?

+ Anthony

Greeting Alan

I have come across this old ships badge for HMS MALLOW, I also have a write up about this badge ,other than that nothing and this extract is from the MCDOA Archive 2, what was a mine clearance Service badge

A metal Mine Clearance Service badge forms the centre-piece and this is surrounded by smaller metal shields detailing 'Minefields Swept' including: Wellington, New Zealand; Aukland, New Zealand; Eden, Australia; and Anamba, Singapore. The Mine Clearance Service badge is a rarity because the RN has issued very few branch badges in metal and this particular badge was worn for only a short period during WW I.

fyrbird

02-05-2010, 05:23

Hi Tom. Not wishing to throw a spanner in the works.Is there any chance this badge (Unknown) could be of Israeli origin? They had a couple of SAAR CLASS missile boats down there operating out of Simonstown,during missile proving tests.Reputedly a Nuclear missile test,closely disguised and explained away as a Soviet Hotel11 class submarine exploding?
Regards Steve.

Hi steve ,I know nothing much about the Israeli navy but i feel that the badge in question does not belong to the israelis as their badges are completely different from the R.N. format, and as far as I can tell the Star can be whatever colour is decided upon by whoever uses it, for reference see enclosed.

fyrbird

02-05-2010, 05:27

While browsing the net I came across these two pins thought they may be of interest

fleetchief

02-05-2010, 05:49

Ed

When you can, could you please do Bedale, Belvoir, Bleasdale, Holcombe and Haldon?

Many thanks in advance.

Mel

Here you are Mel,

Bedale - L26 - Mounted horsemen following this Yorkshire foxhunt wear coats of red. Founding of hunt took place on 31st October 1816 at the local hostelry in Bedale - The Black Swan. Badge not fitted at first because ship was lent to Polish Navy (1942-1946). Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Lent Polish Navy Apr 1942 and renamed ORP Slazak; reverted to Bedale Nov 1946; To Indian Navy and renamed Godaveri 27 Apr 1953; Later used as a Training Ship; Ran aground 1976, salvaged; Deleted 1979.

Belvoir- L32 - A foxhunt on the borders of Lincolnshire and Leicestershire, named after a village west of Grantham. Peacock is from the Arms of Manners family who held Mastership of this hunt from 1750 until 1895. Coronet refers to the family title - Dukes of Rutland. Affiliation: Sutton-in-Ashfield, Nottinghamshire. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Arrived 21 Oct 1957 McLellan, Bo'ness, for BU.

Bleasdale - L50 - A beagle hunt on the Lancashire/Cumberland coast followed on foot. Horns refer to this sport and hare to the quarry of the hounds. The hunt was renamed 'Bleasdale' from 'Oakenclough' in 1937. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III: Arrived 14 Sep 1956 Hughes Bolckow, Blyth, for BU.

Haldon - L19 - Huntsmen of this Devon harrier hunt wear a green coat and red waistcoat. In 1759 Master of Hounds was Mr. Kitson of Shiphay, Torquay; design puns his name 'Kit-Sun'. Title Haldon was adopted in 1895 after a number of previous names. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Lent Free-French Dec 1942 and renamed La Combattante; Sunk 23 Feb 1945 after detonating mine near East Dudgeon Buoy off Humber estuary, North Sea. Remark - She probably never used her Haldon badge, as she was transferred to the Free-French before completion.

Holcombe - L56 - One of the oldest harrier packs. In 1617 King James I granted this hunt the privilege of wearing his Royal livery, scarlet and gold. Horn refers to sport and class of ship. Chaplet of red roses gives hunting area - Lancashire, and alludes to the county Arms. Affiliation: Farnworth, Lancashire. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; 12 Dec 1943 - Convoy KMS34 under attack by U593 during which HMS Tynedale was torpedoed by U593 off Bougie, later the same day HMS Holcombe was also sunk by U.593 off Bougie. (Note: U593 was forced to surface on 13th December after sighting by aircraft and depth charge attacks by USS Wainwright & HMS Calpe. This submarine was scuttled by crew in position 37-58N 05.58E and all the crew survived, unlike the crews of Tynedale & Holcombe).

Peter, yours tomorrow.

Ed

MelQuick

02-05-2010, 07:59

Ed

Many thanks. Superb job.

Mel

empiretocommonwealth

02-05-2010, 14:01

While browsing the net I came across these two pins thought they may be of interest

Hi Fyrbird,

I have a Royal Naval Division (http://empiretocommonwealth.webs.com/royalnavaldivision.htm) page in the Empire to Commonwealth Project which shows the range of the Naval Divisions if they're of interest to ye.

+ Anthony

fleetchief

02-05-2010, 18:29

For those interested, here is a replacement for Renown's badge previously posted. The first one has a blue name box, i.a.w. the painted Sealed Pattern. However, I missed the note on the SP that said the name box should be black and not blue. So here it is.

Ed

empiretocommonwealth

02-05-2010, 18:34

Hi Ed,

Sometimes when ye write about ships you say BU - what does that mean, please?

Thanks,

+ Anthony

Scratcher

02-05-2010, 18:34

Thanks for that Ed.

Peter.

Tom Grant

02-05-2010, 19:04

Tom Grant

02-05-2010, 19:10

Greetings Alan

Another Badge that has got a problem ,Any help would be greatly Appreciated, What does MTP stand for, and a clearer badge would really help

Thanks
Best Regards Tom

Tom Grant

02-05-2010, 19:11

Once again sent before adding the badge

alanbenn

02-05-2010, 20:15

Tom, yet another interesting badge you have posted.

The fact that it's an eagle would suggest it is something to do with the fleet air arm possibly. As for MTP...?

Perhaps something like Military Test Pilot, the motto underneath says test to prove which would suggest it maybe along those lines, I've not seen the badge before.

Regards
Alan

Canterburyfan

02-05-2010, 20:48

Tom,
As Alan says,it is FAA.
A bit better copy
Thanks
Mike

Tom Grant

02-05-2010, 21:07

Thanks Mike

As you said a better copy looks like the eagle is carrying a micrometer, any idea what the initials mean,I can do up a heraldic description from the badge

Regards Tom

Canterburyfan

02-05-2010, 22:27

Thanks Mike

As you said a better copy looks like the eagle is carrying a micrometer, any idea what the initials mean,I can do up a heraldic description from the badge

Regards Tom

Hi Tom,
Just found it, "Maintenance Test Pilot"
A couple more. C in C Fleet. (Fleet Air Arm)
Flag Officer Naval Aviation (FONA)
Commodore Naval Aviation (COMNA)
Military Aviation Regulatory Team (MART)
Sea King Simulator
Royal Navy Sonics Training Centre (STC)
Thanks
Mike

fyrbird

03-05-2010, 00:00

Hi Ed,

Sometimes when ye write about ships you say BU - what does that mean, please?

Thanks,

+ Anthony

I think you will find it means breaking up.

fleetchief

03-05-2010, 00:48

Hi Ed,

Sometimes when ye write about ships you say BU - what does that mean, please?

Thanks,

+ Anthony

Very simple Anthony,

BU = Break UP.

I type a lot of the abbreviations in full , but I thought that one was obvious so I just used it.

Ed

fleetchief

03-05-2010, 02:52

Just for interest, and I hope the Forum Moderator will forgive me as it is totally off the subject of badges.

As some of you will know, many years ago Canada decided to "unify the Armed Forces", and put everybody in 'jolly greens'. The Army being the largest made all the rules, of course, they allowed themselves exemptions, like the Scottish Regiments wearing plaid & tartan trews!!! The hierachy is also a majority of Francophones, so they adopted the French style of rank badges, i.e. All Flag Rank Officers have a single plain broad stripe and you work out their actual rank from the shoulder boards (personally I could never work those out). They also decided that up to the rank of Captain (Army) you were under training, so they had a thin plain gold trim on their cap peaks, but Majors upwards are not under training so they got 'scrambled eggs'. This percolated down to the Navy, so Lt. Cdrs also got scrambled eggs, unlike the RN, where you have to be a Cdr.

So Jen moved from a blue RCN uniform into a green Canadian Forces Uniform. Unlike the RN WRN Officers, the RCN female Officers were always 'Officers' and therefore wore gold braid and not Blue. After several years, the powers that be decided they had made a mistake and reverted to using dark blue Navy Uniforms, light blue Air Force uniforms and green Army uniforms. However they retained the Canadian Forces rank insignia, i.e. the plain stripes. So Jen got her 3rd set of uniforms.

Tuesday 4th May is the 100th Anniversary of the Royal Canadian Navy.

To honour that Anniversary, the powers-that-be have decided to revert to the R.N. pattern of rank insignia for the RCN and have re-introduced the 'Executive Curl' on the RCN Officers rank stripes (Not sure of the Air Force is getting theirs back), and they are also going back to having 'Thick and 1 thin, or 2 thins, or 3 thins', for the Senior RCN Officers, ala R.N., so no need to work out shoulder boards any longer as they will be the same as the sleeve rings.

Here, in Victoria, the RCN is having a "Freedom of the City" parade (which hasn't happened for 25 years, the last one being the 75th anniversary). EVERY sailor will be in No.1's and on parade, for a total of 2,700 sailors.

There will also be a Fleet Review, and you will be pleased to know that all 6 West Coast canoes have been repainted for this occassion (OK, I'm kidding there).

Ed

MelQuick

03-05-2010, 04:40

Ed

When possible, could you please do Blackmore, Blean, Blencathra, Bolebroke, Border and Brissenden?

Many thanks.

Mel

Scratcher

03-05-2010, 09:52

Hi Ed,If you posted my Badges,I am unable to find them.

Peter.

tomparry

03-05-2010, 12:28

Looking through my new book "The badges from the drydock in Simonstown, once again the UKNOWN badge we discussed on a earlier post has arrived, i am thinking it may be Nigeria but not completed ( remember these were done during the war, and perhaps the painter, and the ship got called away) there are a few spelling mistakes on the badges ,but they a being updated by South African Dockies (So the book say's) and their English is not very good, before some one decided to preserve these badges they fell into a poor state of repair , hence the spellings etc,

Regards Tom[/QUOTE]

Tom,
Thought you may be interested in a Website I found for the Israeli Navy:
http://www.zahal.org/groups/israelinavy
It showed all the Lapel Pins for their submarines.
tomparry

MelQuick

03-05-2010, 12:41

Tom

Interesting badges. Thanks for sharing them with us.

Mel

Tom Grant

03-05-2010, 15:24

Thanks Mike

All sorted out now, I had a few of those but just initails , so i would sometime in the future be looking for the words to match the initails

Thanks and Regards Tom

RNfanDan

03-05-2010, 17:19

Until very recently, I had not paid much attention to the many miscellaneous and non-ship badge posts. Wow, what was I thinking? The FAA, shore establishment, and foreign-badge posts have some truly interesting and attractive patch, emblem, and badge images.

This is a very belated thank you to all those who have posted them here, I'm only sorry I didn't do so, sooner than this!

I am now OFFICIALLY grateful!

Dan

Canterburyfan

03-05-2010, 20:42

Hi,
The US Navy has a few nice badges,have posted just a few.
Thanks
Mike

fleetchief

04-05-2010, 04:44

Ed Could you do HMS Largo Bay,Largs Bay, Lark, for me please.

Peter.

Hi Peter,

You should have got these last night. I did all my usual send attachments; typed notes; clicked on 'Preview Post', and it came up "No Connection". I had other sites open with other tabs and they worked fine. Tried going to Forum and got 'No connection' again. The only thing that would explain it, was that the Forum "went down" for a period. By the time I found it had come back, much later on, it was too late to do your badges. Anyway, here they are now.

George (Tues - all done); Mel (Wed - 1 to do) & Tom (Thurs - All to do, if I get them all done by then).

Largo Bay - K423 - Oak taken from Arms of early 16th century Admiral Sir Andrew Wood of Largo, a title conferred on him by James III of Scotland. The Admiral continued his naval career, somewhat piratical, under James IV. Remark: Largo Bay is 3 miles N.E. of Leven on the Fife coast. An unofficial badge used by this vessel depicted a red foot-print on a gold field - Andrew Selkirk lived here. Only 1 ship has had this name, Frigate, 'Bay' class, (ex-Loch Fionn, renamed 1944); Arrived 11 Jul 1958, Ward, Inverkeithing, for Bu.

Largs Bay - L3006 - On the Ayrshire coast, Scotland. From the Arms of the resort Largs on the Firth of Clyde, Scotland. Affiliations: 1 - Borough of North Tyneside; 2 - Wallsend, Tyne and Wear. Only 1 ship has had this name, Landing Ship Dock, 'Bay' class, a member of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.

Lark - U11 - The skylark and the smaller woodlark have the most beautiful songs. 9 ships have had this name, plus a further 7 ships spelt with an 'e' on the end. SP done for 9th ship, Sloop, Modified 'Black Swan' class; Torpedoed 17 Feb 1945 by U.968 off Kola Inlet, beached at Murmansk; salved by Russians, Commissioned at Neptun; BU 1956. Remark: Some references query the latter, as it was believed she was too badly damaged to be resurrected.

Ed

fleetchief

04-05-2010, 05:14

Well I finally finished Newark 1941, so here it is. Definitely the most detailed badge I've ever done. No 'smudging' tool, completely repainted. You can compare it to the Interim posted a few days ago, though you won't detect much difference unless you "blow-it-up". Just for completeness I'm also posting Newark 1921. Note: This was a fairly rare occurence, producing a 2nd pattern badge for a ship, when one already existed.

Newark - ??? & G08 - 1st pattern: The Crest of the Borough. The original Crest to the Arms granted in 1561 was a seagull proper. However, AC Fox-Davies in The Book of Public Arms (1915) decided to call it a cormorant for reasons unknown. Despite the town hall, the library and the mayoral chain showing a seagull, ffoulkes drew on the (then) current design of a cormorant. Unfortunately his original painting cannot be found. The motto is similar to the words of Mayor Smith to Lord Bellasyse during the siege of Newark 1646. 2nd pattern: From the second-oldest grant of Civic Arms (1561) - the first being Ipswich. (Local opinion takes the presence of this bird in town Arms as a symbol of pride). Affiliation: Newark-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire. 3 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Minesweeper, later 'Hunt' class Note: Some references have her as an 'Aberdare class - Ed, (ex-Newlynn), renamed 1918; Sold Jun 1928 Ailsa, Charlestown. New SP done for 3rd ship, Destroyer, Type C - 'Annapolis' class, (ex-USS Ringgold - DD89); Air Target Jan 1945; Sold 18 Feb 1947, BU McLellan, Bo'ness.

Ed

MelQuick

04-05-2010, 05:26

Ed

Newark: Incredible job of work!

How many man-hours did it take you?

Mel

Scratcher

04-05-2010, 05:51

Hi Ed,Many thanks again,I had the same sort of trouble with access to the site about the same time as you,thought it was my computer.Newark is amazing,you are a gifted man.Again many thanks.

Peter.

fleetchief

04-05-2010, 07:44

Ed

Newark: Incredible job of work!

How many man-hours did it take you?

Mel

Somewhere between 15-20. (2-3 days). Top layer was body; then wings; and then I did each 'fan' on a layer. The final layer was the hardest, the actual 'eye' feathers.

Ed

Scratcher

04-05-2010, 11:55

Hi Ed,Can you do HMS Laburnam,Ladybird,Laertes,Laforay,Lagos,Lancaster, and the Inshore Minesweeper Pagham for me please.

Peter.

alanbenn

04-05-2010, 21:09

David (mousey) had asked me about the Canadian badges, as it happened I was in the process of updating my Canadian badges and I promised I would post a few for you all to see, so here's a small selection from those I've updated so far.

Hope you like them.

Regards
Alan

empiretocommonwealth

04-05-2010, 22:31

Hi Alan,

VERY nice! Looking forward to seeing the rest! (Yes, I'm still patient! :D )

Most of the badges you are showing I don't have! :(

+ Anthony

fleetchief

05-05-2010, 05:24

ED - Good to see you back - with regards to my badges, you have already posted them (Re Albion etc)... But if you don't mind, I'll go to the end of the queue and request the following - ALRESFORD - AMBERLEY CASTLE - AMBROSE - AMBUSCADE - AMEER............ Many thanks, George...

Here they are,

Alresford - J06 - Design suggested by the Clerk of the Council of Alresford, Hampshire. Lion is taken from town Constable's Staff (the shaft of which could possibly have been plaited with gold and black silk) and the colours of the See of Winchester. Affiliation: Ebbw Vale, South Wales. Only 1 ship has had this name, Minesweeper, later 'Hunt' class; Sold 13 Mar 1947 Dohmen & Habers, Liege.

Amberley Castle - K386 - A castle in the county of West Sussex. Red chevrons are from the Arms of John Langton, Bishop of Chichester who built this castle in the 14th century. Crozier depicts association between castle and Bishopric who owned it until the 16th century. Affiliation: Amberley, West Sussex. Only 1 ship has had this name, Corvette, 'Castle' class; Became weather ship Weather Adviser Sep 1960; renamed Admiral Fitzroy 1977; BU Troon 1982.

Ambrose - L6 - It is assumed this submarine depot ship was named after St. Ambrose, unofficial patron saint of sub-mariners. St. Ambrose (c340 - 397) was one of the early fathers of the church. Only 1 ship has had this name, Submarine Depot Ship; renamed Cochrane 1 Jun 1938; Sold Aug 1946 for BU: Arrived 13 Nov 1946 Ward, Inverkeithing.

Ambuscade - D38 & F172 - Associated with activities of highwaymen after dark. Note: The original wood carving in the destroyer shield frame, depicted a normal barrelled flintlock pistol, a more likely type of weapon used by highwaymen. Affiliation: Crewe and Nantwich, Cheshire. 8 ships have had this name. SP done for 7th ship, Destroyer, Prototype; Sold 23 Nov 1946, BU Troon. Badge updated for 8th ship, Frigate, Type 21 'Amazon' class; To Pakistan Navy 28 Jul 1993, renamed Tariq.

Ameer - D01 - From the insignia from standard (reverse) of Amanullah Khan, The Ameer of Afghanistan (1919 - 1929). 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Escort Carrier, 'Ruler' class, (ex-USS Baffins); Return to USN 17 Jan 1946 and sold as mercantile Robin Kirk; Sold 1969 for demolition at Kaohsing, Taiwan.

Ed

MelQuick

05-05-2010, 07:26

Hi Everyone

Has anyone got a decent badge for the destroyers Viceroy and Viscount?

Mel

fyrbird

05-05-2010, 10:07

Hi Everyone

Has anyone got a decent badge for the destroyers Viceroy and Viscount?

Mel

these are the only ones I have, maybe someone has better.F

Canterburyfan

05-05-2010, 10:19

Hi,
Badge for HMSAS Southern Floe. (Unofficial)
Thanks
Mike

empiretocommonwealth

05-05-2010, 11:11

I think you will find it means breaking up.

Hi Fyrbird,

Thanks for that - I couldn't figure it out! *points to L plate on his back*

+ Anthony

empiretocommonwealth

05-05-2010, 11:13

Very simple Anthony,

BU = Break UP.

I type a lot of the abbreviations in full , but I thought that one was obvious so I just used it.

Ed

Ah ... BUT ..... I'm Irish!!!

(Hey the excuse comes in handy!)

+ Anthony

empiretocommonwealth

05-05-2010, 11:16

Ed,

About the canoes for the 100th anniversary .... will they have a badge?

(OK, I'm kidding too! ;) )

+ Anthony

steve roberts

05-05-2010, 12:21

Kid you not +Anthony,they are already refurbishing pulled whalers with RPGs and a few rifles for harbour defence!!:D
Many Regards Steve.

ltotenby

05-05-2010, 12:44

ED, Many thanks, appreciated and grateful..... George

MelQuick

05-05-2010, 15:13

these are the only ones I have, maybe someone has better.F

Hi Fyrbird

Thanks - they're similar to the ones I have but thanks anyway.

Mel

joseph bonnici

05-05-2010, 15:32

Mel ive got these for you, there s more better out there ,Joseph

MelQuick

05-05-2010, 16:55

Joseph

Many thanks - just the job.

Mel

fleetchief

05-05-2010, 18:49

Hi Everyone

Has anyone got a decent badge for the destroyers Viceroy and Viscount?

Mel

Here you are Mel.

I've previously posted Viscount with notes, so I won't repeat those.

Viceroy - D91 - Badge of Viceroy of India, the Titular Sovereign's representative in India. The badge is modelled on an earlier design. Affiliation: Meriden, West Midlands. Only 1 ship has had this name, Destroyer, 'V/W' class; Converted to A.A. Escort Dec 1940; Sold 17 May 1947; Arrived Brechin, Granton, 10 Sep 1948 for BU.

Ed

Scratcher

05-05-2010, 20:05

Hi Ed,You say in your text for Viceroy that the badge is "modelled on an earlier design",would the attatched badge be that earlier design. Or is it just another Unofficial?.
Peter.

MelQuick

05-05-2010, 20:10

Ed

Thanks a lot.

Mel

fleetchief

06-05-2010, 03:37

Hi Ed,You say in your text for Viceroy that the badge is "modelled on an earlier design",would the attatched badge be that earlier design. Or is it just another Unofficial?.
Peter.

Don't have a definitive answer, but looking at the badge makes me think that was the "earlier badge".

Ed

fleetchief

06-05-2010, 04:57

Greetings Ed

Lucky me. Looks like i have jumped up the Queue. and i will be next and not wanting to miss the boat. here is the next request for more "M"s
MATCHLESS,MAURITIUS,MEDUSA,MELBREAK,MELITA,MENDIP, MEON,MERCIA,
MERLIN

Thanks once again for the great badges,
Best Regards Tom

Here's your M&M's.

Matchless - G52 - Astronomical symbol for planet Saturn. known as the 'Matchless Planet' because of its splendour. Affiliation: Maidenhead, Berkshire. 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 2nd ship, Fleet Destroyer, 'M' - {Marne} class; To Turkish navy 16 Jul 1959, renamed Kilicala Pasha; Discarded 1970.

Mauritius - C80 - Charges from Arms of Mauritius the island referred to as 'Key to the Indian Ocean'. Motto is the island's motto. A Royal Navy Radio Station (1962 - 1975). Only 1 ship has had this name, Light Cruiser, 'Fiji' or 'Colony' class; Arrived 27 Mar 1965 Ward, Inverkeithing, for BU.

Medusa - ??? & A353 - In Greek mythology, the only mortal sister of the three Gorgons, later killed by Perseus. Her hair was turned into snakes by Athene as a punishment. 9 ships have had this name. SP done for 8th ship, Minelayer; Originally a Monitor, M.29, 'M29' class 1919; renamed Medusa 1 Dec 1925; Depot ship & renamed Talbot 1 Sep 1941; renamed Medway II 1943; renamed Medusa 21 Sep 1944; Sold 9 Sep 1946, BU 1947 Dover Industries. Badge updated for 9th ship, Survey Vessel, (ex-SDML 3516) 1949; (ex-FDB 76) 1943; Named Medusa 1 Jan 1961; Paid Off Nov 1965; Sold 29 May 1968; Now a museum ship.

Melbreak - L73 - A Cumberland foxhunt, riders uniform coats red. Pack first assembled 1807 by Mr. William Pearson who then held Mastership until 1816, design puns his name. Affiliation: Cockermouth, Cumbria. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Arrived 22 Nov 1956 Ward, Grays, for BU.

Melita - J289 - Latin name for Island of Malta. Sword of St. Paul alludes to his being shipwrecked on this island. 3 ships have had this name. SP done for 3rd ship, Minesweeper, 'Algerine' class; Renamed Satellite {drillship} Apr 1947 - 1951; Arrived 25 Feb 1959 Rees, Llanlley, for BU.

Mendip - L60 - Field colour matches coats of huntsmen following this Southwest country foxhunt, of which the Tudway Family of Wells held Mastership from 1760 for almost a hundred years. Bugle horn refers to hunting, white field and blue rose are from Arms of Tudway Family. Field of Tudway Arms is actually ermine. Affiliation: Shepton Mallet, Somerset. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type I; Lent Chinese Navy May 1948 as Lin Fu; Sold 15 Nov 1949 Egyptian Navy, renamed Mohamed Ali El Kebir; renamed Ibrahim El Awal 1951; Captured by Israeli Navy 31 Oct 1956, and renamed Haifa Jan 1957; Hulk 1970 - 1972; Discarded 1972.

Meon - K269 - The River Meon in Hampshire passes through Town of Wykeham (now Wickham), birthplace (1324 - 1404) of William Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester. Black chevron is from his Arms, rose locates river in county of Hampshire. Remark: Last survivor (in R.N. service) of River Class frigates and one of only three in class to be allocated an official badge, albeit late in their service. Only 2 ships have had this name. SP done for 1st shiip, Frigate, 'River' class; Arrived 14 May 1966 Hughes Bolckow, Blyth, for BU. 2nd ship, Tender.

Mercia - Formerly R.N.R. C.T.C. Coventry. Arms ascribed by medieval heralds to the ancient Kingdom of Mercia, blazoned as - Field blue, saltire gold. Saxon crown also refers to this 7th century kingdom. Remark: Blue edging of saltire is to separate gold and silver per Heraldic practice (fimbriated). Note: Blazon says field is white, don't know if I should have done it silver! - Ed. The name of Coventry Royal Naval Reserve unit from 1984.

Merlin - A female Merlin, the smallest British hawk, found mostly in the north. Name given to Fleet Air Arm base at Donibristle, Fife, Scotland (1939 - 1953). 14 ships have had this name. SP done for F.A.A.

Ed

ltotenby

06-05-2010, 11:25

ED. 'Medusa' is excellent........Congratulations on a job more then well done..
George...........

Tom Grant

06-05-2010, 19:16

Greetings Ed

Once again thank you for the badges, all quality badges !!!

Best Regards Tom

fleetchief

07-05-2010, 06:26

I can't remember who was next, but I must beg your forgiveness. I've got 3 web pages open watching the UK election (284 Con; 229 Lab & 50 Lib Dem at this time), and doodling on the last of the H's (Hydra) which is quite complex.

Doesn't take long to post the badges, but too long to do the notes, while watching the election results.

Interesting that without Scotland and Wales, Con - 299 and Lab 199, i.e. a Con majority of 100. Why should Scotland have MP's in Westminster when they have their own Parliament?

So, I'll post badges tomorrow.

Ed

Tom Grant

07-05-2010, 08:31

Good Morning Ed

Looks like a hung Parliament this end, Why Scotland has its own Pailiament and still votes in England ??????? I dont Know , they have free medication, free schools ,and other things perhaps thats why we had a scottish PM FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS, I was always taught to avoid politics, so enough, If you are looking for someone else for badges ,remember i am at the moment doing up my "M"s any you have not sent on request would be of a great help,

Thanks and best Regards Tom

ltotenby

07-05-2010, 10:57

Hi ED.. Following on from Tom, when possible can you supply the following...
AMETHYST - ANGLESEY - ANTARES - ANZIO - APHIS...... Many thanks, George..

Tom Grant

07-05-2010, 15:56

Greetings Ed

I am shocked that Peter has not jumped in to get some badges, for his collection, But not to be outdone, If and when you can please can you do me some more "M"s
MERMAID,METEOR,MICHAEL,Middle East SNO,MIDDLETON,MILFORD,MINSTREL

i think there are only about 6 more officials after this
Regards Tom

Scratcher

07-05-2010, 16:03

I have asked Ed for badges in Post 4702 refers,I am just waiting for those to be posted.Can't get in for the bloke who keeps asking for "M"'s

Tom Grant

07-05-2010, 16:38

I have asked Ed for badges in Post 4702 refers,I am just waiting for those to be posted.Can't get in for the bloke who keeps asking for "M"'s

SORRY PETER
i was not aware that you were still waiting for you request to be completed,

regards Tom

Scratcher

07-05-2010, 16:44

Can anyone help to identify this badge.Name would be great.

RNfanDan

07-05-2010, 18:40

Taking advantage of Ed's earlier (and very generous) posting of his brocaided badge frames, I have fiddled about with some wanted badges of my own. Lacking his fine PhotoShop program, I am forced to use my PC's primitive MS Paint utility. As a result, I am limited to badges of rather simple designs and opaque colors, but I have managed to put together a badge of HMS Meteor (WWII M-class destroyer) which suits my needs just fine.

I am posting this ONLY for entertainment purposes, and I make no representation as to its fitness for uploading in place of Ed's excellent work. Here it is, then...

Dan

ltotenby

07-05-2010, 18:41

Hi Scratcher - I thought the motto was from HMS Dauntless (Never despair), could be wrong (Not often I'm right) !! George

ltotenby

07-05-2010, 18:43

Nothing wrong with that Dan - infact it's darn good.... George

MelQuick

07-05-2010, 19:03

Dan

Looks pretty good.

Mel

MelQuick

07-05-2010, 22:15

Ed

I think my 70 year old brain is in freefall.

When you kindly provided the badge for Viscount, you said that you'd previously posted it, with notes. I've been unable to find it - can you please give me a pointer?

Mel

fleetchief

08-05-2010, 03:11

Ed

When possible, could you please do Blackmore, Blean, Blencathra, Bolebroke, Border and Brissenden?

Many thanks.

Mel

As asked for Mel.

Peter's tomorrow.

Blackmore - L43 - This hunt (Blackmore Vale) has existed since 1831 when Rev. Harry Farr Yeatman held the Mastership. Gate is taken from his Arms {Yeat is an early spelling for gate}. The fess is the River Yeo. The huntsmen wear a red coat over a blue waistcoast. Since 1971 this hunt has been called 'Blackmore and Sparkford Vale'. Affiliation: Langport, Somerset. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type II; Lent Danish Navy 1952 and renamed Esbern Snare; Sold Oct 1966 for BU in Sweden.

Blean- L47 - Kent Beagle Hunt established in 1909 by Mr. William Dawes. Horn symbolizes sport, green field matches colour of the foot huntsmen's coats. Battle-axe is from Arms of Dawes Family. Remark: Betty McKeever, daughter of Mr. Dawes, held Mastership of this hunt for eighty-two years. Affiliation: Reigate, Surrey. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type III; Sunk 11 Dec 1942 by U.443 west of Oran.

Blencathra - L24 - Cumberland foxhunt known locally as 'John Peel Foxhounds'. Uniform coat is red, the crozier puns Mr. John Crozier, Master of this hunt from 1839 until his death in 1903. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type I; Arrived 2 Jan 1957 Ward, Barrow, for BU.

Brissenden - L79 - Full title 'Brissenden Beagles', a private hunt owned by Lt. Col. H.C. Hessey in 1937 who suggested this design depicting quarry of his hounds. The field colour is Beagle Green reflecting the colour of huntsmen's coats. Remark: Hunt disbanded on outbreak of war and not reformed. Affiliation: Barnes, London. Only 1 ship has had this name, Escort Destroyer, 'Hunt' class Type IV; Arrived 3 Mar 1965 Arnott Young, Dalmuir, for BU.

Ed