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herakles
14-02-2008, 22:57
Australia responded immediately to the support of the Empire when WW2 broke out. In a short time we had the 6th and 9th Divisions in North Africa and the 8th in Singapore.

All we had left were the part-time soldiers and these were not allowed to serve outside the country. They were very poorly equipped and largely untrained for war.

The 6th was withdrawn at Churchill's demand to wreck themselves in Greece.

The 8th was forced to surrender at Singapore and spent the rest of the war making a railway.

The 9th covered themselves in glory - Tobruk, Alemein etc.

At the end of hostilities there, Churchill decided they would be moved to Rangoon for the defence of India. They were placed on troop ships and moved to Colombo with the intention of them moving them to Rangoon.

At this time, Japan had enjoyed great success and was threatening Australia. They successfully bombed Darwin and managed to wipe out every warship there. This wasn't hard. The Americans liked parking their ships next to one another so their complete destruction was guaranteed.

When news reached Australia that Churchill had ordered the 9th to Burma, it was greeted with consternation. Australia had not been involved in any discussion of this.

John Curtin, Australia's wartime Prime Minister, immediately cabled Churchill stating that the 9th was required back in Australia for its defence. This request was ignored and the troop ships set sail for Rangoon. Again Curtin demanded the ships proceed to Australia. Churchill replied stating they were needed for "the defence of the Empire".

Curtin had much dissent in Cabinet. Few wanted to challenge the great man or possibly harm relations with Britain.

But Curtain was un-moved and issued a direct order to the troop ships to stop and commence the voyage to Australia. Churchill was unable to countermine this order.

The troop ships had to make this long and very dangerous voyage without any escort. At a time when the seas were alive with Japanese warships. A complete blackout was used. No-one in Australia knew where they were at any time and our warships, wanting to supply appropriate protection, searched in vain for them.

They did eventually arrive safely and the troops soon moved to New Guinea to relieve the part-time soldiers there who had been fighting a desperate action trying to contain the Japs. The Japs had landed in the north and were working their way south in order to capture Port Moresby. Top fighting men, mostly the elite Marines.

The rest is history and names like Kokoda, Milne Bay and Sanananda were added to the honour roll. The Japs were completely defeated.

It's another one of those "what ifs" situations. What would have happened had the troop ships been found and the 9th Div lost at sea? It was a huge risk to travel unescorted. There was no choice.

Curtain was killed by the war. It wore him out and he died not seeing our victory.

One final story. The part-timers were slowly withdrawing down the Kokoda track, fighting every inch of the way and in appalling jungle conditions. A track where you took one step up and then made two down. They shouldn't have even been there. One soldier later described how they fell back and found themselves in a clearing. And in the middle of it was a group from the Salvation Army. They had set up trestle tables, had brewed a cuppa and had a supply of Capstans available. God bless the Salvos.

The Sailor
14-02-2008, 23:08
The best of posts Herk. You did the forum proud. But you left out the most important part.
Yesterday we said SORRY to the aboriginals. The Japanese wouldn't have said it as they shoveled the dirt in onto them

romft1945
15-02-2008, 08:49
Very interesting reading Herks Thanks little bit more of history learnt,
ROM

BB60
15-02-2008, 16:30
And in the middle of it was a group from the Salvation Army. They had set up trestle tables, had brewed a cuppa and had a supply of Capstans available. God bless the Salvos.

Tearing up your good thread with this sidetrack. My grandfather gave to the Salvation Army until he died, but not to the Red Cross, all based on how the Salvation Army responded to the soldiers' needs.

TheDigger
20-02-2008, 10:38
Although not related to the sea but your last section of your post I worked with a couple of guys who were part of the 9th Division and saw action in the Desert and then New Guinea and the fabled Kokoda track. These guys were gunners in our artilley and they carried and dragged their 25 Pounders up the track to blast the Japanese all they way back to Milne Bay.

They did it tough and did us proud

herakles
20-02-2008, 11:50
At least these were the jungle 25 pounder, a lot easier to manoeuvre than the conventional one.

You should try carting a Vickers tripod around!

Harley
22-02-2008, 15:48
When I was 18 (a somewhat similar age for many soldiers) I had to carry a Vickers tripod around for delivery to a gunshop owner - folded up it was relatively easy to carry but what a bloody weight! In practice it must have been hideous. Then another poor bugger with the actual gun, then another with the two cans for the water-cooled version (possibly some ammo I suppose). Then someone with the actual ammunition!

Harley

herakles
22-02-2008, 17:34
The Vickers was so heavy. And then there was that wretched can of water as well.

But what a weapon. The power I felt sitting behind one, tapping it gently and spraying!

And close behind it for weight was the 3 inch Stokes mortar with it's base plate. Beast of a thing.

doug.birch
24-07-2008, 13:08
When I was a lad in the Home Gaurd, we had 2 vickers machine guns. I was No.1 machine gunner & could strip & reasemble the gun blindfolded, then after the fall of France the army took them back, to help replentish the army.
When things got a bit better they issused us with Browning machine guns,we fired our guns, at the Woolwich Arsenal Range. doug.birch




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herakles
24-07-2008, 17:46
Interesting Doug. You jogged my memory about stripping the Vickers blindfolded! Then there were the type 1 and type 2 blockages - not uncommon as I recall.

My memory might be at fault but I seem to recall that the Vickers first saw service at Gallipoli in 1915.